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Jan 10th, 2005 at 1:31pm
 
Tournament comments and suggestions here please! Wink

I'd like people to recommend configurations that they'd like to see for the tournament games, because it's quite time-consuming for me to think of and test them all.
Any ideas? As many as possible, please!!
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Reply #1 - Jan 10th, 2005 at 4:27pm
 
1. Is it possible to make boards that don't have a rectangle area? Would be fun to solve ellipses or triangles or something like that, I think.

2. As a second suggestion for tournaments, I propose to have only boards that require a minimum playing time of ~10 seconds. T6 had a shared second place with 4 seconds. So, if one doesn't upload a very good time on the first or at least second day of the session time, it's nearly hopeless to get a good position (Luca's 3 is the single exception)!

3. As a third proposal, what about pictures similar to those in World of CryptoPics? Could be easier for you, and it's juster as everyone has to play the same board.
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Reply #2 - Jan 11th, 2005 at 10:22am
 
I've tried playing custom games with 995 mines on a 25*40 board. I don't know if that would be a good idea for a tournament, but a large board with some extreme mine density might work.  It's just a suggestion. I'm still just playing the original levels (beg, int, exp and genius), so you might want to listen closer to those who actually compete in the tournaments.
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Reply #3 - Jan 12th, 2005 at 7:11am
 
Thanks Jon, that's a really good idea!
Keep them coming people, I need lots more!

Stephan: suggestions 1 & 3 are interesting - although they would both need rewrites of the program, of course. For no.1, are you thinking of different shaped grid blocks, or square blocks but in a different pattern? (if the latter, I guess it's just a matter of setting some squares to blanks before starting.)
No.3 would be nice, but of course having the same pattern each time means that you could solve it slowly and then restart to get a good time. Plus I'd have to make lots of picture-puzzles!

As for no.2, I'll try to keep the <10sec puzzles to a minimum but I'll put them in occasionally for variety! In any case, I can't always tell how low the times will go until you experts play it!
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Reply #4 - Jan 12th, 2005 at 7:28am
 
Jon, I checked out. It's very easy to solve indeed, but surprisingly, I wasn't really fast. My best (out of 5 attempts) was 6 seconds. So, maybe we should have 1% free squares (10 on 40x25, for example).

Yariv, concerning my idea 1: I thought of boards where the area to solve is not rectangular or square-like. This could be quite easily handled by pre-opened squares in each game:
O O S O O
O S S S O
S S S S S

The example aboves would be a triangular board (every S symbolizes a square to solve). Every O is a free square that is already uncovered. That means that nothing has to be changed at the game itself (generally rectangular board, two types of squares [mines, free ones]), but only at the number of uncovered squares in the beginning.

Concerning No.2: I know that. But then, we would see who is really the fastest one as no one can get a board with a better distribution of mines than another.
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Reply #5 - Jan 31st, 2005 at 9:23pm
 
Hey Stephan,your time of 5 seconds is really amazing! 8)
Good job,I think that's the frontier of the human possibilties for this level Shocked Smiley,what do ya think?
So,will u agree 2 share how much amount of luck Wink (the configuration of the board) you've got ???
Keep it up man,I'm sure you are one of the sweepers who might achieve 0 on begginer 8) 8) !!
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Reply #6 - Feb 1st, 2005 at 6:47am
 
@Kire: I wouldn't bet on winning the tournament with 5 seconds. I'm afraid of Luca, Roli or Xpert getting a 4.

It's very easy: I need about 1 second per click in tournament 10. So, some squares to open must be directly besides eachother or at least lie in the same region of the board. This isn't very rare, so you just have to be fast. I got ~20 6s and >35 7s before finally achieving that 5, so a practicing effect is there indeed...

I can provide the screenshot tomorrow if anyone is interested.
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Reply #7 - Feb 13th, 2005 at 9:35am
 
I still can't undestand how you've made these scores in t3,which prevents me of making good time in t12  ???
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Reply #8 - Feb 13th, 2005 at 3:33pm
 
Yariv, was this the last tournament of this "season"?

p.s. Stephan 5 in T11 impressed me too
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Reply #9 - Feb 13th, 2005 at 8:24pm
 
> Yariv, was this the last tournament of this "season"?

Yes, almost certainly!  Shocked
As long as I can fix the database and code before it finishes!
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Reply #10 - Feb 14th, 2005 at 9:16am
 
@Luca:

Thanks, but it impressed me more that you didn't make a 4 or at least tie my 5.

And concerning the seasons: Theoretically, it doesn't really matter whether T11 is the last tournament of season 1 or there will be a T12. You'll win either way...
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Reply #11 - Feb 14th, 2005 at 9:21am
 
And Luca, the most impressive thing in the tournaments is that you nearly always overtake me in the last night. I hate that.

Don't you think it's quite risky not to upload your personal bests as fast as possible? If my best in T11 would have been 90, you would finally have been in #2 only due to later upload. That's the reason why I rarely hesitate to upload my best times immediately.
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Reply #12 - Feb 14th, 2005 at 4:59pm
 
it is a risk but with a little luck it works
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Reply #13 - Feb 15th, 2005 at 2:52pm
 
Hey, Yariv, you stole the tournament statistics of my private homepage, didn't you? But my rank distribution is still unique  Wink
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Reply #14 - Feb 15th, 2005 at 9:28pm
 
Actually, the points ranking was there all along, I just changed the button yesterday  Grin

But I love your tournament stats page and I have no intention of implementing any more of it, so keep up the good work!
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Reply #15 - Feb 16th, 2005 at 7:44am
 
Really? Seems that my brain is twisted due to too much consumption of nonosweeper Wink
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Reply #16 - Feb 16th, 2005 at 10:16am
 
I've updated things, so the new season will start this weekend!

I haven't been able to fully test the "start new season" script, so there may be some teething problems on the first day. I'll fix these as soon as possible when they occur. (I mean if!) Roll Eyes

Except for when I enter the information by hand, the tournaments will be chosen randomly from a pool (max once per season for each grid), or sometimes (25% probability) the grid will be randomly generated.

Let me know any suggestions for grids for the pool, or for changes to the grid selection/generation algorithm.
Good luck for season 2! Wink
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Reply #17 - Feb 16th, 2005 at 10:36am
 
Hey Yariv I,m very glad you've made that "today" list,but isn't it possible to content "tournament" also? Wink
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Reply #18 - Feb 16th, 2005 at 10:42am
 
Yup, I will add that soon! Smiley
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Reply #19 - Feb 21st, 2005 at 10:54am
 
The season thing was a VERY good idea. Seems that new sweepers took the chance to participate at the tournaments! Smiley Welcome to Dan and Elmar! Hopefully, Jon and hexx will join as well so that the whole Top10 out of all levels participates at the tournaments!
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Reply #20 - Feb 21st, 2005 at 8:11pm
 
Sorry, Gero, that I forgot you in my list of Top10 players who should participate in the tournaments!
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Reply #21 - Feb 22nd, 2005 at 12:19pm
 
@ Stephan: It's OK. No problem. Smiley
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Reply #22 - Mar 1st, 2005 at 8:23pm
 
Nice time Stephan  Smiley
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Reply #23 - Mar 2nd, 2005 at 7:09am
 
@Kire: Thanks. I played more than 2 hours in one session until I finally got that 17. Before, I achieved 19 and 20 more than 10 times each...
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Reply #24 - Mar 4th, 2005 at 8:11am
 
As Stephan has pointed out to me, the number of players in the tournaments has increased a lot and it would probably be a good idea to change the points system to give players outside the top 10 more incentive to improve their scores.
I can think of four possible solutions:

1) Keep the current system but have points for more people - maybe something like 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 5, 4, 4, 3, 3, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1 or something... in any case I think the 2 point gaps at the top are probably unnecessary, what do people think?

2) Give points to ALL competitors (except possibly the last 1!) with one extra point per place (so the winner will get a different number of points depending on the number of competitors).

3) As 2) but with a fixed score for first place and the other placings somehow (??!!) given points going down to 1 for last place based on some formula.

4) The most difficult to implement, but in my opinion the most interesting: different divisions with a fixed number (maybe 10?) of players in each, with promotion and relegation at the end of each season. This way everyone will be playing against players of a similar skill level and players at the bottom of the table will have something to aim for.
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Reply #25 - Mar 4th, 2005 at 1:56pm
 

about 1) I don't think that giving the same points for many players is the best option. The incentive to increase one's time in order to get from #15 to #13 is too low.

The 2-points-gap can be abolished in my eyes (even as long as the current upload system is valid - see suggestion below for details).

about 2) That's the way we acted in Minesweeper's Active Ranking. It's very easy to understand. Of course, it gives some incentive to participate in EVERY tournament, as otherwise, you waste quite a lot of points.

about 3) Would be an idea as well. Why not setting up 20-19-18-17-...-4-3-2-1 for the Top-20? This is not exactly the same than Yariv suggested, but maybe, there should be a limit rank below of which you don't get points. At least, that is an incentive for practising  Wink

about 4) Kind of interesting, but I think there would be too much discussion of the starting configuration (as I know already more than 10 persons who would qualify for the Top league).
And - even worse - what about players who detect Nonosweeper freshly? Should they start in the bottom-most "league" and climb up snail-like even if they improve their times very quickly (e.g. like Gero)

And I suggest a no. 5: Counting points in a scheme like those of no. 1-3, but changing an important thing: Players with the same time always get the same final rank and therefore the same number of points. I suggest this as we often have tournaments where one loses points only due to the fact that one has less time to play or something like that. For example, if you play a new tournament not earlier than sunday evening (European time), there might be a top time which can just be equalled as it already touches the "invisible" time limit of a board. As it is counted now, you lose several points. And in my opinion, it can't be the idea of a tournament (whose sessions are one week!) that the one is most likely to win who plays earliest!
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Reply #26 - Mar 5th, 2005 at 12:58am
 
Thanks for the detailed reply!

By the way, does anyone object to updating the points system in the middle of a season? How about going back and updating the points scores from season 2 tournament 1?

To respond to Stephan's points:
1) I agree, and I also find it frustrating to move up the table and still have the same points. But on the plus side, it does stop the scores for top players from getting too high.

2) and 3) would both work well, I think. The score totals would get pretty big but I guess that's not a major problem.

4) I think it may be only me that likes this sort of system (I love league tables and suchlike for some reason!), but I'll explain in a bit more detail anyway:
Starting configuration would be decided by me probably based on rankings. Two promotions/relegations each season so the best of division 2 should be able to go up quickly anyway - seasons could be shorter too. But perhaps 10 players per division is too few. Maybe 12 or 15.

New players would start at the bottom. Again, I really like the idea of having to work up from the bottom, but I think the frustration at having to start low would be countered by the fact that the player can lead and win the competition in their own division!
I would rather win division 2 than come 8th in division 1.. Grin

5) is a separate thing, I think, not related to the above, but I could either do that or perhaps upload more accurate times for the tournaments. Which do you prefer?
Accurate times will be fairer, but will they be more fun/competitive?

I don't really subscribe to the idea of a fixed "invisible" limit for a board unless it can be done in about 3 seconds or less... but your point about tied scores is valid. Obviously anyone can play as early as they like, but being in different time zones makes it a bit unfair.

Grin Grin Grin

Anyway, for the points system, please cast your votes:
A) One league - 20, 19, 18, ... 3, 2, 1, 0, 0, 0, ...
B) One league - points for all, one point per place
C) Various divisions, promotion & relegation

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Reply #27 - Mar 5th, 2005 at 10:22am
 
I don't like A) because the top players get too many points. If you want that more people get points I would prefer to give them the same number of points with a maximum of 12 points for 1st place (as it is now). And maximally 2-4 times the same points for different places, because otherwise Stephan is right (no incentive to increase the time to get from rank #15 to #13).

I think, the possibility B) isn't a good idea, too, because if you are lucky and you win a tournament, where many people played the winner gets too many points. So this system isn't very fair.

I also like the idea of leagues (C) very much. I think it's the most interesting possibility for tournaments and a great idea. So in my opinion it's the best solution.

As Stephan, I think that the same times should be on the same rank because of the "time problem".
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Reply #28 - Mar 5th, 2005 at 2:45pm
 
Okay, I vote for C), just due to the fact that it's proably worth an attempt...

And I wouldn't have anything against changing the scores system back to T01 of season 2.
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Reply #29 - Mar 5th, 2005 at 4:39pm
 
(C)
I think we will make it easy,interesting and fair with our common efforts(mental)  Smiley
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(C) for me too.
By the way, I like the current point system.. I think is ok to have two points between the first and the second player, exc..
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Reply #31 - Mar 6th, 2005 at 5:16pm
 
i also think that c) is a good idea as it would be good to compete with those of the same level as me, as i don't always have the opportunity to spend a lot of time playing the tournaments

Also would all the different leagues be playing the same boards as some of the lower leagues may not be able to complete the boards that the higher leagues do also it would be good to test the top players with some really hard boards
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Reply #32 - Mar 6th, 2005 at 6:59pm
 
About the difficulty of tournaments: Yariv, I think the current tournament (T03) is not the best grid, as it's very difficult to complete (in my eyes more difficult than a genius board). In my opinion, tournaments boards' difficulty should lie somewhere between beginner and expert. Concerning the various types of board shape (quadratic, extreme rectangle, ...), there still remain lots of possibilities so that there is no real need for "genius boards" within the tournament seasons.

About Colin's idea: My opinion is expressed above. I think it's sufficient to have expert and genius mode for "real" ambition. If the leagues come, I would prefer the same boards for all players regardless their league.
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Reply #33 - Mar 7th, 2005 at 4:23am
 
No kidding about tournament 3 difficulty.  I played off and on all day today and only once did I come close to finishing.
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Reply #34 - Mar 7th, 2005 at 7:22am
 
Only seven listed people after one whole day show seriously that finishing the board is not only skill, but needs lot of luck as well, as otherwise it's very likely to have a wrong guess somewhere...
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Reply #35 - Mar 7th, 2005 at 7:34am
 
Stop moaning, you lot! I like this board! Wink

I've just completed it twice in my first hour (without guessing), and could have done more!

Many of the grids are almost impossible to complete, but there are plenty of possible ones. This tournament is hard, but that's deliberate - most of the boards will continue to be ones which just need fast clicking, but I want some to require fast thinking as well! It might give a welcome shake-up to the league tables as well.
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Reply #36 - Mar 8th, 2005 at 1:59pm
 
I don't like this tournament too
But I think that Yariv is right, it's nice to have different tables (quick ones, "lucky ones"...)
I think that this tornament is 40% luck and 30% speed and 30% intuition

P.S. in one hour i could finish 5 tables
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Reply #37 - Mar 9th, 2005 at 5:03am
 
Board 3 is great!

And its challenging enough that I actually had 8 points for a fair while Smiley.

I think the divisions (C) is a good idea, but it could have a bit of a problem with how quickly people can improve lots at this. It might have to have a fairly short time between promotion points.

Rather than shorter seasons, what about the possibility of promotion at any point, and rather than division winners theres an overall table of points covering all divisions? Also, division 1 could have a slightly higher points spread, to avoid it being a disadvantage to play too well and get promoted.
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Reply #38 - Mar 20th, 2005 at 10:12am
 
this is the 4th tournament that finish in less than 30 sec... (the 3rd in less than 20)
what do you think about it?
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Reply #39 - Mar 20th, 2005 at 9:15pm
 
I always preferred the boards that take more time to finish (but are easy enough that one has the chance to finish several boards). So, I hope, the next tournaments will be boards in the style of T02, T04 or T07 of season 1.

The current tournament is not the best, I think, as it's almost the same than normal Intermediate (okay, 6 additional mines, but no difference else...)
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Reply #40 - Mar 20th, 2005 at 10:58pm
 
I like this board because it is possible to use atactic that in intermediate doesn't work perfectly
but i would like to see also tabes which need more time to solve
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Reply #41 - Mar 20th, 2005 at 11:07pm
 
This week's tournament was randomly generated  Tongue
But I think it's quite interesting to have slight variations on the main boards occasionally.

Anyway, if you want more bigger grids (or whatever) please suggest the sizes and number of mines and I'll put them in the pool! Wink
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Reply #42 - Mar 27th, 2005 at 9:04pm
 
bah.... do you really have to give us a 40x25 board with 990 mines?  You are going to end up with ten people with the same time, yet one person will get 10 points while another person will get 1 point.  I just improved my time from 9 to 8 seconds and I actually fell one spot in the ranking.  I suggest you leave the 7 or 8 second boards out.
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Reply #43 - Mar 28th, 2005 at 7:28am
 
I agree with Dan. Those big easy-to-clean boards should have at least 20 mines so that the finishing time lies somewhere between 15 and 20 which gives at least some possible gap between #1 and #10. Or, alternatively, for the tournaments, the exact times could be uploaded and displayed. In my eyes, it's more just to be in top with 7.40 compared with a 7.42 on the second place than being first just due to earlier upload.

Some final words on the previous tournament: It looked quite similar to the "normal" intermediate board, but due to the bigger mine density, I developed some tactics to play nf (non-flagging) which was a very nice strategy for this board. So, I change my opinion that that tournament board was boring.
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Reply #44 - Mar 28th, 2005 at 8:22am
 
I hope to implement the exact time uploading (for tournaments only) at the start of the next season.

I don't completely agree with the criticisms about the current board because firstly I think that if 4 people can get 7 seconds in the first day, then 6 seconds (and possibly five) is definitely possible in a week, and in that case the race to be the first to get it should be interesting. In this case the order of uploading is relevant.

More to the point, though, I've had hardly any suggestions from users for possible tournament grids (except for a few from Stephan), so if you don't like the ones I've come up with, I recommend you suggest some good ones! Wink
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Reply #45 - Mar 28th, 2005 at 5:51pm
 
Yariv, due to personal involvement, I have to reply to your aspect of "an interesting race to the 6". This week's board is a typical one which punishes extremely if you don't have the chance to play several games (maybe some hour...).

For my special case, I was staying at my parents' home, and despite of the crappy mouse of my father, I could get a 7. Today, I spent six hours on board of German trains, and finally, after only eight minutes of playing at my own computer at home, I got "my" 6 - which is only the third place at the moment as hexx and Gero used the day to overtake. Okay, you could say there's still lot of time to beat them by scoring a 5, but you must have kind of well-ordered free squares to hit all 10 of them in 5 seconds...

So, I'm looking forward to season 3 with exact times Smiley

Btw, hexx and Gero: What have your 6's been? Mine was a 6.76!
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Reply #46 - Mar 28th, 2005 at 6:46pm
 
Yeah, I'm also looking forward to exact times.

What about the league system? Will it be introduced for tournament? ???

To your question Stephan: Mine was 6,92s. So worse than yours. And I needed more than 8 minutes to get it. Perhaps one hour or a bit more. Tongue
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I did 6.96
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Reply #48 - Mar 29th, 2005 at 3:29pm
 
Argh. Bad luck for me that I was too late and that the exact times aren't yet valid for the tournament classification...
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Even worse that I wasn't 0.04 seconds faster...

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6,97 Wink
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Reply #51 - Mar 30th, 2005 at 8:17pm
 
At least, you caught the fourth place. We're directly approaching Dan's vision of many persons being in the top ranks with the same time...

I played another session, but even if I've been playing for three hours (in total) now, I couldn't finish in 5 seconds. "Only" 13x6, 84x7 and 132x8 until now.  Sad

My 6s are: 6.03, 6.37, 6.42, 6.45, 6.46, 6.60, 6.62, 6.68, 6.70, 6.76, 6.81, 6.82, and 6.95.  Angry
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Reply #52 - Mar 31st, 2005 at 7:43am
 
Yesterday, i did 7 more 6s. Smiley

6.62
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6.66
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6.82
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6.91

So, I'm still far away of Stephan's 6.03s. I must keep practicing.
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Yessssssssssssssss  8)

5.93  Wink

Everyting went perfectly! Grin

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5,83
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I havent' learnt how to send screenshot yet...
Could someone tell me by mail please?
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Screenshots: As far as I found out, you can link to an image which is saved on a webspace server.

Congratulations to your improvements. I probably won't find the time to play so much that I'll score a 5 as well.
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@Stephan: I really hope that you won't find the time to get a 5. Wink
In general I don't spend much time on tournament boards because it's more important for me to be good in World Rankings.

Congrats to Luca with new Genius WR and second 18 (Argh, again only rank #2. Angry).  And of course to all others.
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Reply #58 - Apr 2nd, 2005 at 3:47pm
 
Thank you for all the congratulations,
I think I almost reached my limit
even if I missed an expert 65 (wrong click). Probably I could go under 200 in genius, but sometimes it is so boring..

The only thing that make me not so happy is the fact that I am 1st in the rank but I don't have intermediate nor expert record..

Instead, I will like play tournament



p.s.: Stephan, I didn't understand what you wrote about screenshots
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Reply #59 - Apr 3rd, 2005 at 7:47am
 
About screenshots: When you add a post, in the "Add YABBC tags" icon bar, you find a Insert-Image-icon. But this button adds only a img-tag. Within the brackets, you have to write an URL where your screenshot is located. So, before you can include it in a post, you have to save the file on a webserver.
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Reply #60 - Apr 3rd, 2005 at 2:00pm
 
The current tournament is the same of T11 of the first season.

I won it with 90 sec.

now it is harder! Shocked
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Yariv,

Season 3 is approaching.  Smiley

Is or will exact time uploading be ready for season 3?

P.S. I'm waiting a YES as a reply. Wink
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8.06 and 8.01 in the current T10...
I think it is the better time I could do
I hope in season three with exact time in hundreds because actually tournaments last two or three days maximum (I mean that usually the personal best score arrives in 2 or 3 days)
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With this kind of points I think that the season winner will known only in the last tournament
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Reply #64 - May 8th, 2005 at 12:18am
 
Another thing: with hundreds everybody will upload their scores only in the last hours.
what do you think about?
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Reply #65 - May 9th, 2005 at 7:27am
 
As I don't want to risk forgetting to upload my bests, I won't wait until the final tournament day before I upload my bests. So, I don't really see a problem Smiley
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Reply #66 - May 9th, 2005 at 9:37am
 
Why should anybody upload only so late? I don't see a reason for it.

I like the new point system. As you said, the winner will be known very late (in one of the last tournaments), so it gets more exciting.

Dividing into divisions: I think 10 people are too much for one division. It should be perhaps 5 or 6 I think. Otherwise there are, as you posted, only 2 divisions. With only two divisions there isn't really competition. With 5 people in one division, there are more divisions, it's harder to get in the higher divisions and to stay there. So it gets more exciting. I think, 5 people for one division would be better.
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Reply #67 - May 27th, 2005 at 10:57am
 
Hi. As you might have noticed, I have started participating in the tournaments.

Is the tournament info stored in the ini-file?

I also think that it's a little problematic with the biggest tounament boards for people with the smallest resolution (I think I use 640*480 or something like that). Sometimes the squares and the numbers don't fit on the screen.
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Reply #68 - Jun 19th, 2005 at 1:25pm
 
As Luca posted before, there are some people (or only one?) who upload their scores very late, in the last hours of the period. I now see the reason why somebody should do that. As long as you have a better time you don't upload than all the others who uploaded their scores, the others don't have a reason to improve their scores as long as they are satiesfied with their rank.
For example the last tournament (Season 3, Tournament 7):
I didn't play anymore the tournament, because rank 2 was ok for me and I think it was the same with hexx. Luca had a few hours, before the tournament ended 70,4s I think. Today in the morning I saw that Luca won the tournament with 50s. I don't know wheather he really played this score so late, or he just kept the URL for this fast time a few days and I don't want to specualte about that (Sorry Luca for this concrete example, but I just saw it this morning and I thought I use this example for the post. I don't want to accuse you or raise up the question wheather you did that or not, I just want to show the problem). But I think it is very unfair for the others, who upload their scores, if there are some people, who keep their URL until to the end of the tournament to get a advantage out of it.

So my message is: Be so fair and upload your score immediately when you get it. Otherwise you abuse the "stupidness" of those, who upload their score immediately. And that's really not the fine way to be in front of your competitors.

That's of course only my sight of this "problem". If you think in another way, tell me.
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Reply #69 - Jun 19th, 2005 at 2:32pm
 
Hi,
I wrote about this "problem" before the tournament began. (see 4-5 posts before).
I think this is a legal strategy. Yariv, is there written in nonosweeper rules that I can't do this?

Yes, maybe it is a little bit unfair, but it is correct.

And... I always do my best score in the first or second day. Maybe I could improve them but I'm too lazy to do it.
You could do the same. I think that the time you can finish a T is an absolute thing, you can't comparate to my or other people time.
If you know that you could improve, why don't do this?
What all others think about?

I remember to everyone that I paid a big price with this strategy: on T5 I couldn't upload my 6,54 score for a technical problem...

p.s. Hexx, did you use this tactic in T1 and others?
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Reply #70 - Jun 19th, 2005 at 2:33pm
 
I'm very interested to know other people opinions
and I'm very sorry to be the cause of this "problem"
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Reply #71 - Jun 20th, 2005 at 7:41am
 
2Luca: I think it's OK, because everyone can do the same...
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Reply #72 - Jun 20th, 2005 at 8:01am
 
@Gero: Luca's tactics isn't new at all. He plays in such a way since the beginning of the tournaments (season 1). Then, it was often the case that I was leading the ranking until Saturday evening, but when I checked on Sunday morning, Luca had regularly uploaded his own best so that he got on #1. I don't really like this strategy, as it was always a matter of competition for me whether I concentrated on T boards or on the "normal" levels.

But, as Luca said himself, it is legit to upload one's scores whenever you want as long as the deadline hasn't passed. And the risk of server problems is a good reason not to wait. But everyone is free to decide that by himself...
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Reply #73 - Jun 20th, 2005 at 8:37am
 
Luca plays tournaments to win so, late uploading is anything but a surprise, it is part of his strategy.
Personaly, i have never used it because i play just to have fun, usually 1 hour on Sunday and Saturday. Last week i played for 15 minutes!!!!!!
I once played to win too on T6, T7 and T8 of season 2 when i swept 6/7 hours a week, too much time in my opinion.
Since then i'm committed with levels rater than tournaments.

Luca, tell me one thing: How many hours have you been playing tournaments by week on season 3?
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Reply #74 - Jun 20th, 2005 at 11:14am
 
Maybe you will not believe me, but this season I generally played not more than 2 hours (except T6)
I was lucky to have a very nice time in the first or at least second day.
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Reply #75 - Jun 21st, 2005 at 7:52am
 
Well, it seems that I'm the only one, who really doesn't like the strategy. Of course I know that it is absolutly correct and that there don't exist rules for Nonosweeper tournaments. So I accept the decision of the others (Maruda, Stephan and hexx). I just wanted to know your opinions, before Season 4 is starting.
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Reply #76 - Jun 21st, 2005 at 8:55am
 
@Gero: I quote myself: "I don't really like this strategy", so you definitively not the only one who really doesn't like the strategy... Grin

Generally speaking, there is a way to keep #1 until the end of a T session: You have to upload times that are so fast that his times aren't fast enough for #1 Wink
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Reply #77 - Jun 21st, 2005 at 9:45am
 
From my point of view, it is not a matter of like or dislike late uploading.
I have no doubts, i will use it in the future, maybe on season 5 or 6, because i pretend to win 1 tournament season. Wink
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Reply #78 - Jun 26th, 2005 at 4:53pm
 
That's funny: Just got the same score Stephan has: 8,87s Grin
Of course I hope I'll beat that score. Wink
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Reply #79 - Jun 26th, 2005 at 7:12pm
 
That's the reason why I will never hold back my records, but upload them as immediately as possible Wink. By the way, you have to beat a 8.60 now to pass me Grin

And, finally: It's very likely that Luca has a 7.85 (just a guess) still to upload...
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Reply #80 - Jun 26th, 2005 at 7:46pm
 
Who knows?  Wink
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Probably you know Wink
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Reply #82 - Jul 1st, 2005 at 6:35pm
 
I appreciate the exact times so that even for fast boards, a ranking without ties is possible!

But, of course, I hate the current result of hexx being #1 with 7.88 and my being "only" #2 with 7.89, which is a tiny gap of 0.01 Angry. So, I'll do my very best to improve to a 7.87 Grin
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Reply #83 - Jul 1st, 2005 at 6:49pm
 
Stephan, feel free to overtake me, my 7.88 is final result for this tournament. Smiley
Anyway, Luca has 7.53 ??, so if you want 1st place don't forget him. Wink

P.S. Today i missed a 55s on last click, DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Undecided
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Reply #84 - Jul 3rd, 2005 at 10:30am
 
@hexx, unfortunately, you were really close with your prediction.

I played a lot to get that 7.67, but as usual, when I was in front of the tournament ranking on saturday evening, today, it's the regular disappointment with Luca having finally uploaded a 7.59 (crappy gap of 0.08 seconds)...
@Gero, just for you: You're not only one who hates those late uploads!!!!!

@Luca: Doesn't you have to do anything else than sitting at home on saturday evening or sunday early morning and uploading tournament scores as late as possible?? Maybe, my tactics of having a life besides nonosweeper isn't good for winning any tournament... Sorry for my sarkasm!
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Maruda, i'm so sorry.

47.94s  Grin
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What did You say Hexx? Grin Grin Grin
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And now i say, congratulations my friend. Wink
By the way, i hope you have the screenshot of that game, cause i would like to see it. Cheesy
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Reply #88 - Jul 4th, 2005 at 2:20pm
 
thank you Stephan. Usually I upload my times when I come back home (by the way, last T I upload it in the afternoon)

everybody doesn't like this strategy, expecially who is temporary winning. will this tournament happen to Maruda? (but I think t's very hard for me to beat a 43)..
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Reply #89 - Jul 4th, 2005 at 3:22pm
 
@Luca: When I uploaded my 7.67, I was in #1, so I tended to be happy...

@Maruda/hexx: 43 and 47 are VERY good times for that board. Yesterday, I managed to do a 66, which is a personal best for me Undecided. How long did you play? Hopefully, you got some lucky mine distribution to finish such quickly... And Maruda, I would be interested, too, to see your screenshot!

@all: I really hate the current tournament board, and even worse that I don't like the board is the fact that this tournament came up again after only 2 other boards in between. What do you think about the 12x12 with 45 mines? Do you like it? Don't you think the factor luck is too big there?

And a final suggestion: Yariv, maybe, in the random tournament board generator, you can install a break for each board of at least 5 weeks or something like that after it was chosen?
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Reply #90 - Jul 4th, 2005 at 3:50pm
 
@Luca: NO, not everybody is hating you. We just don't like your strategy for tournament. That's all, it's not a personal dislike against you(in my opinion). But perhaps we all are just envious, because we don't get those scores, you get. Wink

@Stephan: I also really hate this board. I mailed Yariv and told him that this board appeared in all seasons. Btw, he likes this board, but he said, it was only luck that it appeared again.

@all: Yariv also said that there exist only 25 boards for tournament. And only because I made 9 suggestions. So why don't you sit down and think of some boards for tournament. I did it and you could also do it so the following season will be more varied.
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Reply #91 - Jul 4th, 2005 at 4:26pm
 
Well, i enjoy a lot this board because it is challenging  8), but its constant appearence is annoying. Tongue

I played 3 sessoins and managed:
61s in the first one (15 minutes);
47s in the 2nd (5 minutes);
48s in the 3rd (30 minutes and after Maruda's 43s).


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Reply #92 - Jul 4th, 2005 at 7:10pm
 
Well...in fact, I was so surprised or shocked, that I forgot to take a screenshot Cry Sorry guys...
I only remember 6 3 on the left side Undecided It was nothing but luck. But I think, that this board is ONLY about luck...and patience...

2Stephan: it was the first board after Hexx's 47,94, so I missed one or two secs in the begining Wink

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I kinda like this board.  I have finished several boards and I just got a nice 53.
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Reply #94 - Jul 8th, 2005 at 11:08pm
 
Does someone go on holiday and would not partecipate to tournaments?

for example I think I will not partecipate at T4, T7  and I have only one or two days to partecipate to T5 and T6 T8

Undecided

if you go on holiday too could we do Tournament from September?
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@Luca: Maybe, Yariv could wide out a tournament session to two weeks during the summer. Then, if anyone isn't able to play during the whole two weeks, it's bad luck. Usually, most players will find an hour to play then.

Generally, I agree that holidays are a problem for weekly tournaments. But I could live as well with the status quo. For example, last week, I had 2x2 hours for playing...
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Reply #97 - Jul 11th, 2005 at 1:01pm
 
Hi there.

just like to point out that for some of us who are maybe a little older, holidays are in fact a blessing. When you have a job etc... finding the time for any tournament becomes somewhat tricky.

When you take a break for a couple of weeks, it gives people like me hope that i can claw back a tiny fraction of the distance between us.

I believe that the system of a weekly tournament is the best one, but i may be alone in this thought.

Once again, i look forward to weekly battle with Yariv, who seems to be on a very similar level to me.

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Hi,

I agree with Foster. Weekly tournament system is perfect.
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Ok no problem, I will try to have much more points as possible..
Or maybe I will go in division 2    Undecided


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Reply #100 - Jul 11th, 2005 at 10:03pm
 
I'll be on a few vacations, too, I guess. So 2 weeks is fine by me. But first I have to absolve my first diploma-exam next week. That leaves few time to catch up to you guys...
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2 weeks for one tournament: That's boring. I also think that weekly tournys are the best. Otherwise you have to wait sooooooooooooooo long. Ok, perhaps I only say this, because I have time enough currently, but I hope not. Tongue
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Sorry Luca, but I have to agree with Foster, Nikolaj and Gero. Two weeks are too long. I think, that most of us play the best times in first two or three days and then only wait...
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The new tournaments league, namely drop division, is a big problem to those who have less time to play during summer season. Tongue
So, i vote for 2 weeks tournament on T5, 6, 7 and 8.
Those who summer means more time to play, have now a big opportunity to improve level and rankings scores. Wink

P.S. Luca, surprisingly, or maybe not, you won last tournament!!!!!!!!!!!! Shocked
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Just a side note: It looks like nonosweeper (particularly the current divisions 1+2) is mostly a European game (13 Europeans, 3 US guys).

But generally speaking, it's quite unfair for guys in Australia or South Africa when we set up a summer break during European summer, but didn't set up a summer break during Australian summer.

So, I vote for weekly tournaments (seems as 2-week-tournaments won't find a majority) without summer break. Maybe, this will cause a very challenging season 4 Cheesy
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yes, waiting for the end of the tournament is boring
but if you are on holiday you don't have to wait

and what about a mini summer season between T3 and T4?
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Luca: and what about those, who have a lot of time for sweeping during the summer and have a chance to spend more time playing tournaments? Wink
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Hello! Remember me?! Just thought I'd pop by!
I must say that, as someone outside the top division, I'm enjoying this season a lot more now that I can get some points! Grin

The tournaments will stay at one per week, as that seems to be about the median of what people want, and also because they've been like that for ages and that's what people are used to now.

I do sympathise with people who may go on holiday or miss some tournaments and so risk being relegated, but a good player (for their division) would have to miss a lot of games to go down. But as people have said, one person's holiday is another's busiest time, so the fairest thing is to be consistent throughout the year. It's also the easiest to code Wink

I'm very happy that so many people are enjoying the tournaments these days! Look out for Mallet Mania tournaments starting soon too...

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Finally!

22x 3.00
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and now I equalled Gero  with 2.78 Grin

Hope Jon and Dan are not using Lucaīs tactics and his times  Wink
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Hm, it seems I have to play the board a bit more. Angry
And I hoped my time would no one beat. I see, it is always false to think in that way. Hope, I'll find time to get a better time! Smiley
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Nice fight guys  Grin
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Reply #111 - Jul 16th, 2005 at 7:07am
 
I really like the new system. I was rather worried about being in division 1, but I'm surprising myself. Even for a relative beginner stuck in D1, it is better that every position now counts (at least for the top 25 positions). It sometimes put me off in other seasons when I would do a good improvement to go from 0 to 0 points, or 1 to 1, so I think I'm trying harder with this system Smiley

I know I'm entering the conversation a bit late, but busy times and holidays will vary between people so it really doesnt make sense (to me) to change the 1 week system for anyone other than Yariv Wink. I think though I am one of the only southern hemisphere players. Maybe I am the only one at all?

It looks like the MM seasons (which I expect to see you all in) will start and end halfway through each NS one. I really like the sunday afternoon (for me) deadline, since I often set better times with only a few minutes to go, but maybe it would be an idea to skew the week starts as well so the two tounaments start on different days of the week? What do you all think?
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Sorry, Qetuth, for counting you into the European group within my post some days ago. Don't know which profile I watched instead of yours Wink.

About the sessions: I'm quite satisfied with the current status of Sunday morning (my time) ending one session. And due to reasons of continuity and remembering more easily, I'd prefer keeping the current system of the deadline always being at the same point of the week.
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Reply #113 - Jul 16th, 2005 at 11:29am
 
Good point from Qetuth - I'd like to stagger MM and Nonosweeper tournaments too, now I think about it. Nonosweeper ones will stay where they so I expect MM tournaments will start/end in the middle of the week.

Incidentally the number of divisions is dependent on the number of players the previous season so there will never be large group with no points for more than 1 season. At the start of a new season, the lowest division will always contain between 8 and 15 players.

And nobody will be "stuck" in the wrong division for long as two players go up and two down each season - this should make the battle for 6th as interesting as that for first! Grin

For anyone who follows the Premier League, I support West Bromwich Albion so I know all about the joy of surviving a relegation battle! Wink

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Reply #114 - Jul 16th, 2005 at 1:02pm
 
@Yariv: Thanks, I hope that you like the other boards I suggested as good as this one.
I hope the others also like this board, instead of Stephan perhaps, who likes the larger ones more, right?

About MM: I also hope that the Nonosweepers will play the MM tournaments. As they wanted Minesweeper people to play Nono tournys, the few MM players would like the Nono players now to join MM tournys. With more people playing it'll be more fun for all.
And I also think that it would be pretty good to start MM tournys on Wendsday or a day around it.
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It is funny! Grin

I was bored, so i decided to play current tounament and in just five minutes i did : Shocked


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Reply #116 - Jul 22nd, 2005 at 6:07pm
 
Wow, what an easy board. I already wondered how you can get a 12  ???. But now, I see. Maybe, even I would have finished that in 13 or 14.
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Reply #117 - Aug 1st, 2005 at 7:50am
 
Hey sweepers!!!

Qetuth and I told you some time ago that Mallet Mania tournaments have begun. 3 days are left for the first tournament, but no one of you has tried until now, to compete with the few people, who uploaded their scores. It would be really nice, if you would join the MM tournaments. I know that some of you have already a MM account, so you can download the newest version of MM to play the tournaments. And for those who don't have an account yet, contact Yariv, he might give you one.

So please, try it out so the game might get more popular. And I bet, MM tournaments will make as much fun as the Nono tournaments.

Hope to see some of you playing MM in future!!! Smiley
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Reply #118 - Aug 1st, 2005 at 7:17pm
 
Gero, hopefully, you'll spend too much time playing MM tournaments, so I can catch up to you in Nonosweeper. Btw, I won't compete, as I don't find MM as fascinating as Nonosweeper and as I decided to play less as I'm a 28-aged guy with a life besides computer games Wink
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Reply #119 - Aug 1st, 2005 at 9:25pm
 
Ahh, I understand. The life besides computer games you mentioned must be the work. Grin

Well, lets calculate a bit:
8 hours sleeping =>16 hours left
8 hours working  =>  8 hours left
3 hours for other things like going to work, cleaning your home, eating or talking to other people (e.g. Nono forum Smiley) => 5 hours left

You see? You should have 5 hours for free time. I must say, I'm happy you don't use this time to practise Nono and beat my scores. But your life besides computer games doesn't take you so much time away that you aren't able to play games at least some hours.
This is argumentation!!! Wink Grin


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It's bad that you don't like to play MM tournaments, but you aren't the only one who has an account and could try out this game. What's up with the others? Come on, try this game. It's really nice!!! And those who don't have an account, contact Yariv. 2 days are left, until the first tournament in MM ends. And currently only 6 people uploaded their scores. Some more would be really nice.
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Reply #120 - Aug 2nd, 2005 at 10:02pm
 
These days, it's more like:
- sleeping: 7 hours
- getting up in the morning: 1 hour
- work (including way to work, way home, lunch break): 13 hours Sad
- household: 1 hour
-> So, normally, the time between 10 p.m. and 0 o'clock is remaining - and then I'm tired...

Btw, have your forum name always been only "Gero" (and not "Gero Waelz")? I ask because the Gero-Guru combination in the left forum column looks very funny.

P.S. Good luck for writing 100 posts before anyone else. You're on a good way Wink
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Reply #121 - Aug 3rd, 2005 at 8:09am
 
That's not i nice day. Why do you work so much ???

Yes, my forum name was always Gero. I never changed it.

That's my next forum aim: To get 100 posts! Smiley
After I passed you (and you were active from the beginning on I think) I needed a new aim. I think we should intorduce a new rating system. Because now its getting boring to make posts, you won't rise up anymore than Guru. Cheesy
I want to become something like "Notbeatablesuperhypergigamasterultrachief"! Grin

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Reply #122 - Aug 6th, 2005 at 2:42pm
 
@Gero: Viel Arbeit halt. Urlaubsvertretungen, viele Projekte, alles Termingeschichten etc. - da muss man halt zu Überstunden bereit sein.

Last week, I was at work about 50 hours... So, I didn't have the chance to practice nonosweeper.
Hopefully, I'l get my train to Vienna just in time upcoming friday Wink
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Oh boy, my best board for tournament 7.
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@Dan: With getting a sub-17, it must have been a really nice board. Do you have a screenshot?
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No, I have never taken screens of Nono boards.  It was a nice board, but I almost had a 15 on another board and just got a 17.25.  This is the same board we tied at 17 on in season 2.  For whatever reason, my brain just loves this type of board.  There are other boards where I don't come within 20 seconds of you and the other top guys.
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I got an even better sub17 game a little while ago and this time I grabbed a screenshot.

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I like this type of tournament board very much either. Seems that this is the only board where I'm able to compete with the very bests (good luck for me, Dan, that you're stuck in division 2 for this season...).

And today, I got to know how important it is to play nonosweeper when being not tired at all: On sunday night, I couldn't go sub-20.95, and today, within 5 minutes and after 6 record games in a row, I'm down to 17.76 which means I tied my personal best of season 2, T02.
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Stephan, I have only had a few games that were not sub20.  Yesterday I just barely missed a 14.
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I play very risky, so I miss lots of games. But if I didn't play in the evening, my times could be mostly sub-20 as well.
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Hey, guys.

Finally i got a sub-16s, 15.75s.
Unfortunately, and after zillions attempts, i still can't upload this score. Tongue

Is there any tournament uploading problem?

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All right! Grin

15.75s uploaded successfully. Wink
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OK, back from vacation, starting tournament.

Dan: Are you mad? Shocked You just want to be bored as #1 without any thrill  Grin. I wonīt even get close to you  Wink.

Jon: Should your time and flight to Vienna mean, you gave up D1 fight ???? Hope you will upload better one Smiley. I really enjoy the race.

Well, first modification, 17.70 is not that bad Smiley It makes me 3rd overall beating Maruda  Grin.
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Nik: It's nice to see your happiness Grin But this tournament is boring... My rivals have no time, so I have no motivation Wink
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What the hell...?!? Are you mad, Nikolaj?  Shocked
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Yes I am CRAZY  Wink

Well, in fact I got a dreamboard...

But it is sad to see it wonīt be enough to beat hexx (and probably Luca)  Cry

I hoped it could mean half of the points necessary for staying in the division 1 for next season, but I donīt care, I will win another tournament  Grin
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Nicolaj, nice game, did you jump from 17 straight to 13?  I have to beat you this season if I want any chance to stay in division 1.
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Dan: you have no chance to stay up Wink Grin
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Dan: Yes, It was direct jump. But with board like this...
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I clicked like hell, only once I had to think (bottom row) and hexx is just 0,6 s behind... He must be from different galaxy Smiley

And I hope you wonīt manage to beat me and I remain in D1  Wink

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Nikolaj: you're absolutely right Grin
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Dan: But if you ask to know, whether it was only pure luck, the answer is no. I have another 10 sub 17, 3 sub 16 and 1 sub 15 better than hexx  Wink
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@Nikolaj:

Hey, Nik, my galaxy coordinates are 13,64s. Wink
Btw, don't forget Vienna Champion, he has a word to say this season. Cheesy

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hexx: grats  Wink mail me the screenshot please. But I wonīt give up! My main playing day this week will be saturday, so be prepared  Wink!

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hexx: seems you were much better prepared for my main playing day than me Wink. This 1 second gap between you and Maruda is unbelieavable  Shocked!
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Hexx: Nikolaj's right, it's something like 2 minute gap between me and him in the last tournament Grin
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@ Czech brothers:

I guess you guys want to see the screenshot. Smiley
I needed 16 clicks to finish this grid!!! Shocked

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Yahoo, sub-80!!! Grin

And... I played it NF-style. Here is the screenshot.

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It works!! Cheesy

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Hi guys,
Maruda just sent me this  Grin
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And here is the screenshot

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Nonosweeping will be even more fun now  Wink
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Are you slooooooooooooooow!!!!!!!!!

If I wouldn't have any click, I would need only 0.01s. But YOU need 39,47s. You are really slow. Wink
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Reply #152 - Oct 8th, 2005 at 4:41pm
 
12x12 with 45 mines is the tournament grid I hate most. Nonetheless, I improved my personal best on that board to 59.01 which is a good 6-second improvement, but worth nothing as nearly all other division1 players achieved unbelievably fast times... So, that board stays in my personal ranking of joy at the very bottom Grin Angry
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@ Vladimir: Wow, what a time. Congrats!!! Cheesy
Did you make a screenshot of this board? I really would like to see it. Or can you describe what it looked like?
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Here is pattern:
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- - 1 1 - -
- - 1 1 1 -
- - 1 1 - 1
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I didn't get 2,51.... Sad
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I knew that with 97.61s Shocked i had a good chance to win last tournament.
But i wasn't expecting a 12s and 16s gap to Luca and Maruda respectively.  ???
You guys were too lazy last week!!! Wink
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Reply #156 - Nov 13th, 2005 at 5:49pm
 
Yes, I must confess that this week I didn't play much, and maybe the next weeks too. This is because I gave up playing levels and because I am using a laptop with the 24 hours connection in which I don't have mouse and nonosweeper. I'm too lazy to get them.

p.s. But Hexx, didn't you tell me that you would not have played in theese weeks, did you?
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hexx: yes, i was too lazy Grin but my max. was around 105s, not better...
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@Luca: Gave up playing levels? Again?  ??? Hope it is only temporary... 9s on intermediate is waiting for you Wink
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@Luca:

Not exactly.
I'm not going to play LEVELS this month!  Tongue
Of course i will keep playing tournaments, i can't imagine myself without  some Nono. Cheesy

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@Vladimir: 5.81 is incredible! Must have been a VERY nice board...
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Hey, guys! I'm happy  Cheesy ! Don't beat me, I wanna win one tournament too! I can send screenshot.
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@Vladimir: Nice present to your birthday  Grin. I would say this time is 99,99% tournament winner, congratulations  Shocked!

Btw how can you play with grey blank squares  Shocked? Have you tried white  Wink?
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Very nice time!
Congratulations Vladimir.
I  promise that I will not beat your time, I will be 1 sec behind.
Can you send me screenshot please?
Thanks

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sorry Vladimir... Wink
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Very very congratulations to you, Hexx!!
60 points in 8 tournaments are a big big number.
You are king of tournaments

Congrats also to you Maruda, many many second places and extraordinary times. I still wonder why don't you obtain 1x5 in beginner level

And you, Gero, why couldn't you have nice torunaments? Don't you like them, do you play low time? I don't explain it

And me?  Sad

What others think about? Will be next tournaments the fight for the second place?
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Reply #166 - Dec 11th, 2005 at 6:30am
 
@Luca: Since October I have to do military service. So during Sunday evening and Friday afternoon I'm not at home, but in barracks. And at Friday I'm very tired. This friday I went to bed at around 16.00 o'clock. I went up next day at 06.00 o'clock. So I only have Saturday and parts of Sunday to play.
2nd is that I like more playing the levels than the tournys. So I just play to stay in Division 1 and to get a certain rank.
3rd: Currently I really like playing Minesweeper again. So I spent most time on MS than on Nono. Currently I only play Nono tournys, hardly the levels.
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Reply #167 - Dec 11th, 2005 at 7:56am
 
@Luca: This season will be fight for 5th and 6th place   Grin. This season could be interesting even as fight for 1st place if only Maruda wasnīt too lazy to play tournaments when his time is #1 Roll Eyes... And if you had more time to play (suppose your exams are near).
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Reply #168 - Dec 11th, 2005 at 12:59pm
 
I think that this season I will fight for the third place.
Honestly, I consider Hexx and Maruda faster than me. Gero faster but he has less time
Stephan faster on little board


Maruda could win, but I think he should upload his times later

Hexx, which intentions do you have?
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Luca, it makes me proud that you believe that I'm faster on little board. Everyone who knows my beginner level performances will be surprised about that.

But generally, I think that season 7 will be a very competitive one for the relegation ranks, with Roland and Dan being back, Gero having too little time, and Nikolaj and me stealing points each other. We'll see Wink
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Yeah: With 100 posts, I'm still #2 of the most frequent posters Smiley
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@Luca: Iīve never seen person with such low self-confidence Shocked Man youīre #1 in rankings with unbelieavable gap of 5 points between you and hexx Shocked!!! With full respect to Stephan he has beaten you ONCE at small board tournament Wink

@Stephan: I think you underestimate Gero even with 2 playing days for tournaments  Tongue
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@Nikolaj: You're right, of course, but in the last Ts of S6, Gero mostly wasn't far away. And as some boards need lucky punches or some practising, I see a little advantage for us as we have (theoretically) a whole week to play while Gero must concentrate on 2 days.
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@Stephan: OK, explanation accepted  Grin.

Btw yesterday I got dreamboard with 5 bottom row and 5 left column  Shocked Time 2.00 - it was the very first game after running nonosweeper...  Why couldnīt it be 2nd game  Cry? Looks like I shouldnīt close nonosweeper at all Wink
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@Luca:

1) At this time of the year it's difficult to find time to play and improve my level scores. Angry
So, my goal is to win as many tournaments as i can and, of course, fight for 1st place in season 7. Cheesy

2) Feel free to be the second player to break sub-50s barrier or even to break Gero's 47s. Why not?! Wink

3) Could you mail me your sub-54s screenys and stats. Thanks.


A few minutes after i post here, i got this grid.
The funniest i have ever seen. Smiley

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Hmm, I got 0.70s at actual tournaments and saved the url as well, but it is always counted at 0s Place 2?! Also all my scores under 0,9s don't count anymore. Anybody an idea? Roland
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Okay, after Restart it seems to work again. But for Division 1, the actual score should be 0.70s. Just to know what you'll have to break...
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GL guys...
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Respect Maruda, I'm out. My scores don't get accepted below .84.  ??? Have fun this week.
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it is my maximum. i can't be faster. now i have time to play classic levels Smiley
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Hm, another 0.69s, but still not working. I switch to classics as well... Nice tournament board for classics.  Wink
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T1: as I predicted

T2: I bet on Hexx, Maruda, Stephan Wink
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mmm, after playing a little bit i changed my mind
0,51 is too fast!!
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@Luca: Nice prediction for T1. I didn't believe until now that I can compete well with you on these small boards with low density, but obviously, it's possible. - For T2, I doubt that I will finish in Top3. With a huge amount of luck, #4 is possible (behind M, h and R).

@hexx: Just curious: In T1, did you have any score not uploaded? As bad luck for me, I could play only for a short time. I'm sure that I could have beaten that 1.46.

@Roland: It seems that the database is updated internally, but not displayed correctly. With your 0.70/0.69 being saved, my 0.76 would have been in position 3 when I uploaded it. And that's exactly what the displayed message said and is in accordance with the displayed number of points as well.

@all: It seems to me that neither the database (see above) nor the program itself (see example below) can handle those 0.xx times correctly: I just got some new URLs even if my times were slower than my current best of 0.76. This is not usual, as in Ts, you get in general only a URL when you beat your best time.
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Stupid question... but how do you join tournaments.  Yes, I have pro.

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@Daniel

To play a tournament, either choose tournament from the Game menu or press f8. This brings up a window with tournament info and a "Get current tournament info" button. Press that and then okay and you'll be playing this weeks tournament. The weeks go from sunday to saturday (depending on time zones a bit).

Each new week, you'll have to get the new info or you'll be playing an old board which no longer counts. Also, with tournaments only your best time will offer an upload url. If for some reason you lose that url, pressing get current tournament info again will reset your best as if you had just started this tournament.

It's also a good idea to use the most recent version of Nonosweeper if you're playing tournaments, in case some bugs have been fixed or features added (like exact times)

@Maruda: Wow, amazing time!

@Yariv: Something odd happening with the tournament points this season...Also, did you get my email about some bugs and stuff? I've been having email problems....
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Reply #186 - Dec 19th, 2005 at 5:37pm
 
@Stephan:

Only played for about 4 hours:
On Wednesday i did 1.51x2 and on Saturday i got the winner time, 1.46  Cheesy.

My best times were;
1.46, 1.51x2, 1.54, 1.56x3, 1.57 and 1.59.

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Can you predict the winner time for T2?
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Reply #187 - Dec 19th, 2005 at 7:04pm
 
Thanks, hexx. As I expected, you've been much more constantly fast than I was. My times besides my best of 1.48 were 1.59, 1.64, 1.67 and 1.69... So, of course, you deserve the victory in T1 (even if I would look forward to winning one more T Wink)

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@stephan: i bet on hexx. he's a maniac Smiley
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@all: Catch me if you can  Tongue Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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and now...i bet on Nikolaj Grin
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Nikolaj! How did you get it? If you have screenshot send it to me please (orlov@uventann.ru)
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@Nikolaj:

catch you ???

What if i overtake you! Wink

Sorry............ Angry

P.S. 1- Hey, Maruda, i'm more maniac than you think! Grin
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Well, Nikolaj... Now we know your little secret  Wink
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aagh not another "it's over before it begins" game size!   Grin
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Merry christmas to all nonosweepers! Wish you many personal records  Cheesy

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Wow, next season will have 4 divisions  Grin.

@Rincewind, Asen BG, Morgan, BoBo: If you upgrade your Pro versions, your xx.99 times will be generated only exceptionally i.e. when you REALLY finish board in xx.99 time  Wink
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Hmm... This blue board seems to be a strength of mine.
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@Daniel: A 4-second lead is really good (considering the short playing time of T4). And those 8 points would bring you up in the total points ranking. But to get up into division 2, you have to play constantly fast on nearly every T board. Good luck Cheesy

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Finally! A board of my taste on the tournament schedule! Cheesy It's much more expert-like than the others, so for the seventh finished board I got a time which is way ahead of my division Grin Way to go for me!
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Hey, why canīt I guess correctly when Iīm forced to  Cry? ...
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Reply #204 - Feb 28th, 2006 at 6:19pm
 
gimme a dang easy tourney again! 

I liked the one from 3 weeks ago; the really dense vertical board that I nailed NF.  The one from 2 weeks ago was just a pain in the eyes.  Last week I put in 10 min effort, couldn't even come close to 15% completion, and was like "screw this, I'm playing MS".  This week's isn't too bad but I am only winning like 20% of the games. 

I think there is a rule I am not familiar with.
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Reply #205 - Mar 19th, 2006 at 9:08am
 
let's just say I have a newfound appreciation for the surgical profession.  I managed to not screw up for 16 minutes and 48 seconds, and nearly lost my mind.

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Reply #206 - Mar 19th, 2006 at 8:17pm
 
Hexx, your 8,82 in T6 demonstrate that you will get 9 on intermediate soon!
Don't you think so?
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Reply #207 - Mar 20th, 2006 at 6:29am
 
@Levente: "only" 16 minutes 38 seconds  Tongue. And you are also really efficient sweeper Cheesy. That game had to be really tedious. Btw my personal best was 351 and yesterday I blasted 2.9 squares per second at 100 seconds (that means estimate of 172, I think it could very well be between 200-210, current top time for this T is 233).

@hexx: You are sick  Wink

@Luca: hexx is sick  Grin and WHEN (not if) he gets 9 on int, it will be another proof of his sickness. Well... You are not far from being sick too  Grin

No offence guys Iīm just in good mood today Tongue
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Reply #208 - Mar 20th, 2006 at 4:19pm
 
@Levente: Good thing to finish in time better than 999. But maybe, you should try to solve without marking the numbers solved. Is more risky (as you have to count well), but saves some time...

@Nikolaj: Good thing (for me) that you didn't solve in 210. I don't need a 8-2 points situation in T7 - my lead would be away Sad
And you're right - hexx is crazy Grin

@hexx: I still wait for a tournament to beat you - don't know which board could help me in that "mission" Wink
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Reply #209 - Mar 23rd, 2006 at 11:46am
 
@ Luca:

T - 8.82s was a..... BAD score because it was a very easy board, i was warming up my hands when i got it. Saturday T session last only 20sec  Shocked. Sometimes even i get surprised with my NONO achievements. 8)

INT - 9s on Int is not fast enough for me, i'm more ambitious. My Int goal is : 7s
Goals for standart levels:
Beg - 0.98s;
Exp - 35s;
Gen - 99s;
Exp NF - 55s Cheesy

What do you think? (please don't say i'm crazy!) Wink

@Stephan:

There are 2 grids where you used to be good at:
Little board and BIG board with only a few blanks(you beat me on this one last august).
Unfortunately for you these grids have not been appearing lately.
I can see you are still waiting for that moment, but to beat me you need to play at least 4 hours. Cheesy
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Reply #210 - Mar 23rd, 2006 at 11:59am
 
Crazy, but cool! Keep going...  8)
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Reply #211 - Apr 1st, 2006 at 10:35am
 
Here is a proposal for a brand new way to play T Smiley

What about Big board with few mines? e.g:

15x15 grid, 20 mines or 20x20, 20 mines.

At first sight it seems difficult to finish the game, but if you clean all "zeros", it's easy to complet the remaining field .Wink

Try Cheesy, maybe you like it! 8)

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Reply #212 - Apr 6th, 2006 at 10:47pm
 
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@ Luca:
INT - 9s on Int is not fast enough for me, i'm more ambitious. My Int goal is : 7s
Goals for standart levels:
Beg - 0.98s;
Exp - 35s;
Gen - 99s;
Exp NF - 55s Cheesy

What do you think? (please don't say i'm crazy!) Wink


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0s Beg wonīt happen;
Int could be 8;
Best exp 37;
Genius 110 can happen (not for me though Wink)
Exp NF 55 is easiest among all scores above.

Could you make nf expert vid and link it somewhere please?
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Reply #213 - Apr 7th, 2006 at 9:38am
 
Hey hexx,

I like your tournament proposal. I've just finished a 15x15 20 mines board. Only managed 35 s, but kinda new way to play. And I agree with Nikolaj...
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Reply #214 - Apr 7th, 2006 at 3:18pm
 
@ Robert Farnik:

0s will happen!


Lets make a bet:

1) If i don't succeed, i offer you a bottle of the finest Portuguese wine. If by some sort of miracle Shocked, i fulfill my objective you offer me a bottle of the finest Czech alcoholic drink (anything but beer Tongue).

2) Proposal valid thru May 2008.

Do you accept my challenge? Grin


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Reply #215 - Apr 7th, 2006 at 11:17pm
 
@hexx: I agree, I have one condition and one plea. Condition: Prize for the winner of this bet will be delivered personally (best way is at some sweeping live tourny).
Plea: Making vid of this achievement (if Yariv wonīt implement in-game videos of course) - it will be unbeatable world record so it should be recorded for next generations.

Do you agree? Oh and May 1st or 31st?  Wink
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Reply #216 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 10:17am
 
@ Nikolaj:

Agreed! Roll Eyes
Deadline is May 31st but i'm pretty sure i can do it this year. Grin

P.S. Prepare your wallet. Wink
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Reply #217 - Apr 24th, 2006 at 11:18am
 
Hi, every sweeper got mail with this text:

"The pool of boards has been expanded, and put into five categories: Big boards, small boards, long rectangles, low mine density, and other. Each season will contain 1 board from each category (=5 boards), 1 board from a random category and 2 randomly generated boards, so we should get a better mix of boards from now on!
Thanks to Nikolaj and Maruda for adding new boards and sorting out the categories!"

This information is not 100% correct. The idea of cathegories comes from Stephan. The last sentence of text above should be:
"Thanks to Nikolaj and Maruda for adding new boards and many thanks to Stephan for sorting out the cathegories!"
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Reply #218 - Apr 30th, 2006 at 10:03pm
 

Hi tournament players,

the last finished tournament was 15x20 with 170 mines. This was a new one, but in season 6, we had T4, a 15x20 grid with 168 mines.

Funnily, all eight current division 1 players achieved the slower time on the grid with more mines:
Gero 9% slower, Hexx 11%, Luca 13%, Maruda 12%, Nikolaj 5%, Qetuth 21%, Roland 26%, Stephan 6%.
It's valid for other divisions' players as well: BoBo 10%, kaa 11%, piman 12%, Yariv 9%.

Can anybody explain that? As it's the same grid shape as genius level, only differing by the number of mines, I would have assumed that the grid becomes easier the more mines are located on it.

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Reply #219 - May 2nd, 2006 at 11:07am
 
Well Stephan, i can easily explain!
You mistyped the number of mines in T4 (season 6), the correct number is 186 (you problably never suspected about this Tongue), so it's not surprising to see slower times for last T board because it has less mines than T4(s6)!











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Reply #220 - May 2nd, 2006 at 11:14am
 
Hey hexx, you have brilliant eye! I didnīt notice the number of mines is mistyped either  Cheesy, I was as surprised as Stephan Wink
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Reply #221 - May 2nd, 2006 at 9:38pm
 
Okay, hexx, this IS a great explanation. Thanks.
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Reply #222 - May 18th, 2006 at 10:18am
 
I don't know if that was discussed earlier, but I'd like to know how it is decided who is ranked first, if two players share a score in a tourney?
Right now it's Gene and me shareing 3.09 and Gene leading me. I don't know what will happen next week and for the rest of this week, but it might happen that this ranking system decides who's going to play in first division next season.
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Reply #223 - May 18th, 2006 at 11:04am
 
@Christoph: who uploads tourny time first is ranked higher (unlike level times).  If 2 players have equal total points, then sum of times decides (the lower the better)
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Reply #224 - Jun 4th, 2006 at 11:38am
 
YAHOOOOO!!! First won tournament  8). My long term goal is achieved!!! My next goal is: to win tournament season  Grin
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Congratulations, even if this is the first time I can't be happy with the second place. But you deserve it to win a - at least one - tournament!
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Reply #226 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 3:39pm
 
@Stephan: Your disappointment with previous tournament didnīt last too long, did it?  Wink Well done!
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Reply #227 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 5:04pm
 
I'm really surprised that I won this T with a time of 1.07s. But as I had 1.14s twice, I think now that I deserve it as well as you last week. And, I'm VERY happy that I won a tournament against hexx, Luca, Maruda, and you simultaneously!

And after I saw the grid of the T, I'm very happy that I have already 14 points. Everything but last rank in T3 would be another surprise...
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Reply #228 - Jun 13th, 2006 at 11:04am
 
So that should be the end of my hopes to ever join first division  Cry
My right hand hurts more and more, today I even had to give up writing with it. And the doctor ??? has still no idea what's wrong - he only suspects that the problem is related to the elbow.
I hope that I'll be ok for the vienna tourney but I'm afraid...
Well, so additional reason to show up: If I should really have to play lefthanded you'll all have good chances to beat me also in the minesweeper section Grin
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Reply #229 - Jun 13th, 2006 at 12:58pm
 
@Christoph: Donīt give up! Hopefully the pain will be eased soon.

But maybe your doctor should check whether you donīt suffer by Carpal Tunnel Syndrome  Undecided? Check Damienīs site http://www.metanoodle.com/minesweeper/carpal.html
Unfortunately this would probably mean end of your sweeping carreer  Cry
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Reply #230 - Jun 13th, 2006 at 1:20pm
 
WOW!!!!!


What a game! Cheesy
34.26s for current T in only 52 (21+31) clicks.
I think it is a great score, at least it's better than my best (35.28s) on 12x12, 45mines grid.
I just played 20 minutes Grin

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Reply #231 - Jun 17th, 2006 at 10:29am
 
@hexx: I have only 26 clicks for finishing this tourny  Grin Match it! I tried this tourny by flagging only, just for fun, but after I finished it in 48 seconds, then got 34 with 1 wrong flag Roll Eyes I thought Iīll try this tactics more and decent 36:42 appeared  Grin

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Reply #232 - Jun 17th, 2006 at 3:50pm
 
A good massage, a couple of painkillers, half an hour of righthanded playing and bang: 56 and back on track!
Unfortunately that wont work for minesweeper since clicking appears a little difficult.
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Reply #233 - Jun 25th, 2006 at 8:39am
 
Oh my god! Where did that come from ??? 0.34
It was a 4 in the 4th col and I happend to start with cursor on it.
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Reply #234 - Jun 25th, 2006 at 9:51am
 
Yay!
I thought when I saw your 0.34 that I didnt have a chance, and couldn't get under 0.95. A little talk about the best approach, and suddenly I have almost the same time as Christoph on the exact same board Smiley
0.32! Sorry...well, not really Tongue

Oh, and a handy hint to all, thanks to Maruda: Install your mouse manufacturers drivers Wink
It really does seem to make a difference in this case, I installed them last night and today posted 4 great times, including a last minute pass in the last tournament and a time I didnt think possible (for me) in this one. Although the reaction to telling people I was using the generic windows drivers was almost as good as the ones to telling them I still play int and similar tourneys with flagging Grin
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Reply #235 - Jun 25th, 2006 at 12:30pm
 
What is the function of mouse drivers?

I think for me is quite impossible to reach a time lower than 0,80 sec in this Tournament right now

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Reply #236 - Jun 25th, 2006 at 1:14pm
 
Well, wow. First I didn't think anyone would come close to this 0.34, but when I did a 0.36 just short after Qetuth overtook me, I realized that there's a lot more possible.
I think one might be able to score a 0.17. But I'll settle for 0.26 since I would have to take more medication to continue today  Grin
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Reply #237 - Jun 25th, 2006 at 3:03pm
 
@Luca: The main thing with the manufacturers drivers I suppose is it allows you to mess with things like report rate and precision to a greater extent than the generic drivers do. In my case though, it really seemed to affect my clicking: it was really noticable that when I release button now it takes affect sooner, and I think the same for pressing the button too but not as noticable. This was hard to get used to at first but once I did was a huge help already.

@Christoph: You dont have to improve again for me, 0.32 was definately my best. Congratz. Hope your hand improves, it's great having someone in tourney who is so consistently so close to me in performance.

@Everyone: The two big threads are kinda getting long. Maybe we should make Tournaments part II and a Personal Records part II threads?
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Reply #238 - Jun 25th, 2006 at 9:26pm
 
Thank you Quetuth,
do you know where I can find Logitech UV55a drivers?
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The logitech.com site has a download section which includes pictures of the mice so you can pick yours to install. Then it just takes a bit of looking through the new settings page to get them how you like, and getting used to those 8) Hope they work as well for you as they did for me
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Reply #240 - Jul 23rd, 2006 at 9:09am
 
Hm.. strange board. I did a 2.5 nonflagging and a 2.45 flagging only (of course that won't be my best scores).
Which way do you play it?
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Reply #241 - Jul 25th, 2006 at 6:48am
 
Christoph, T playing strategies are usually top secret! But you can see MY strategy on friday Wink
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Reply #242 - Jul 29th, 2006 at 8:58am
 
Aaaaaarrrrrrrggggghhhhhh!!!!!!

I just got an easy board, scored a 1.96 on it. Two boards later I got the same board again, recognized it immediately..... and messed it up  Angry Sad Cry

I'll post about the tourny results in a few days (I'm still quite busy) but I may announce the winner: Stephan Bechtel
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Reply #243 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 9:53pm
 
Wow a 9 in the 10x15 board!

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Reply #244 - Aug 15th, 2006 at 1:27pm
 
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Cry Cry Cry Cry

For God sake, Nonosweeper can be a very cruel game.

I was forced to guess on this grid. Tongue

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Reply #245 - Aug 15th, 2006 at 2:00pm
 
Oops, I hate these situations  Undecided
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Reply #246 - Aug 19th, 2006 at 12:54pm
 
I hate these situations as well, but I hate such T grids even more... I needed five days to complete even a single board (okay, I must admit that risky playing doesn't have to be the best choice on S11/T4 board - I lost two games in the end at a low 200 time).

But if I watch the current rankings, without any single player out of div 4 having finished the current board, I don't think that boards which are more difficult than genius level, should be integrated into T pool.
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Reply #247 - Aug 19th, 2006 at 1:41pm
 
@Stephan: I hoped you wonīt finish a board and Iīll take decent 2 points lead  Grin. Yes youīre right, this board IS difficult. On the other hand I finished it twice on Sunday (after 30 minutes 270 and after another 40 my current 231) and didnīt play it more, because I donīt like genius-like boards much  Wink

I think if every sweeper taking part in the tournaments tried to finish this grid and guessed only when necessary, it certainly improved his skills even if he didnīt  succeed. I donīt know if it is satisfactory answer for the frustration of not finishing a board, but this tournament could be useful for all those who were scared of large boards.
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Reply #248 - Aug 21st, 2006 at 10:39am
 
@Nikolaj: With my fifth rank, I'm more than satisfied. Despite of a horrible performance, I stay in front of you and hexx, funnily Smiley.
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Reply #249 - Sep 2nd, 2006 at 6:54pm
 
What happened?? Was saturday the last tournament day, wasn't it?
Is it changed?
I had my T6 score to upload (109s).
Now I will surely go in division 2 and I will give up playing.
Ok maybe it is the right moment to give up..
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Reply #250 - Sep 3rd, 2006 at 3:37am
 
A few days ago, the sites went down for a while and some scores disappeared that were posted right before they went down. Afterwards, the server time for both MM and NS seemed to be set to a different time zone, putting tournament finishes about 13 hours earlier. Not sure why or exactly what went on...

It confused me for a while, now the tournaments actually end at midnight for me, instead of early afternoon....
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Reply #251 - Sep 3rd, 2006 at 12:30pm
 
@Luca: It mixed me up as well, but hey, second division is not that bad  Wink
Would be nice to see you fight back to first division next season (and perhaps to meet you at one of next years tournys - vienna and budapest are not that far from Italy)
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Reply #252 - Sep 3rd, 2006 at 1:05pm
 
I really like this T7 board, just did a 5.26 on it!
I can see me scoreing a low 4 but I'm afraid someone in 1.Div will come along with a 3.  Sad
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Reply #253 - Sep 30th, 2006 at 4:36pm
 
Heh, after struggling for a few days with beating my record of 11:26 on the tournament board I got 10:57, 10:80, 10:81, 10:64 and 10:20 all in a row...

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Reply #254 - Sep 30th, 2006 at 9:34pm
 
9:18!!!!!!!!!

Easy board didn't even really try... I love it when there are two blanks in a column (only a column with two numbers and on a board with the top and bottom row being 19) because it makes it so that you can make one click and slide to the next square and decrease about 0,75 secs from your time that you would have spent in another column looking for the square to click on... (sorry if that didn't make any sense)

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Reply #255 - Oct 3rd, 2006 at 9:35pm
 
5x5, 8mines
IMHO this is one of the most evel boards I've ever seen!
I like the path best with 3 mines down and 5 up - my best try was 0.37.  But unfortuneately the brute force probability is a litte beyond 1:1000000.  I'm afraid that board wont come along.
Additonally this week uni starts in Austria and I'm really really busy so I can only play a little. I'm very disappointed, I might have done really well on that bord Sad
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But unfortuneately the brute force probability is a litte beyond 1:1000000.  I'm afraid that board wont come along.


Unfortunately Shocked Shocked Shocked? Iīd say fortunately, because you have to show real skills (accuracy and fast reaction) to achieve good time (great mine distribution is necessary of course).
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Reply #257 - Oct 3rd, 2006 at 10:29pm
 
Of course you're right from this point of view. But I'm a good bruteforcer. So at 1:120000 I could go it and would have a very very good chance to finish way better than in 5th place.
So for me it's unfortuneately because the small board - and I have best chances on small boards - is not of my favorit kind of small boards.
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Reply #258 - Oct 3rd, 2006 at 10:36pm
 
I understand you really want to win a tournament, but believe me, your hand is fast enough even for winning in "normal" way. At least your hand is faster than my I have only bit faster reaction  Wink
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Reply #259 - Oct 4th, 2006 at 8:54pm
 
Of course I want to win a tourny, but at the moment I think more about the points to ensure to stay in 1.Div
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Reply #260 - Oct 5th, 2006 at 6:50am
 
Argh, there really needs to be a button for ending the game instead of clicking the blue smiley... I had an easy game and I went to click the smiley but I missed it and ended up getting a 2,09 instead of a sub 2...
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Reply #261 - Oct 5th, 2006 at 10:05am
 
Welcome to the club  Grin I have the same problem, but Iīd take it as a feature forcing you to show your mouse skills  Wink
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Reply #262 - Oct 6th, 2006 at 9:23am
 
Yeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And it wasn't even the board I was hoping for!

Well, one could beat it easyly bruteforceing - I guess a 0.40 is realistic. But is there enough time left to play for one in more than a million boards?
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Reply #263 - Oct 6th, 2006 at 9:28am
 
Woooooooohhhhhooooo!
And right after this 0.79 I lost a 0.76 on only one missflag.

To this simley thing: I like, that you need to click the smiley. But perhaps that's because I'm to lazy to coordinate for a third button  Grin
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Reply #264 - Oct 6th, 2006 at 9:34am
 
well, congratulations Christoph  Shocked  I donīt think anybody will even try to play this T by bruteforcing  Wink
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Reply #265 - Oct 6th, 2006 at 11:29am
 
@Christoph: congratulations Grin
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Reply #266 - Oct 6th, 2006 at 3:21pm
 
After I improved my best time on this board compared to last time (S6 T6 - see below), I hoped for Top3. By now, it's likely to finish in #5. Terrible.

Good job, Christoph!

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1 hexx 1.32 sec 2005-11-26 8 pts
2 Stephan Bechtel 1.39 sec 2005-11-23 6 pts
3 Maruda 1.42 sec 2005-11-20 5 pts
4 Gero Waelz 1.43 sec 2005-11-26 4 pts
5 Luca Vezzoni 1.46 sec 2005-11-26 3 pts
6 Nikolaj 1.55 sec 2005-11-20 2 pts
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Reply #267 - Oct 6th, 2006 at 6:42pm
 
@Christoph:
Hey, well done Wink

@Maruda:
You are right, tomorrow I will try to play the way Christoph did, but I don't promise nothing, I'm happy with my 1.01s achieved by the "normal way" Grin
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Reply #268 - Oct 8th, 2006 at 6:22pm
 
So it's going from my dream- to my nightmare-board. I hope I'll score on it at all.
However, it feels fantastic to have won a tourny and to have already more points than have ever been neccessarry to stay in 1. Div.
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Reply #269 - Oct 16th, 2006 at 7:22am
 
I like T5 board, 20x20 20 mines, it's very hard but you can eventually get very easy board
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Reply #270 - Oct 16th, 2006 at 4:42pm
 
Aaaaarrrrrrrggggghhhhh!
I just messed up a 9 on the T5 board. It contained a 5 and a 6 but was left right symmetrically. I chose the wrong way round and died on the smiley on 9.81.
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Reply #271 - Oct 16th, 2006 at 6:19pm
 
hmm, that wouldīve beaten my current 9,88 with highest number being 2  Grin. Most probably I wonīt play this T anymore, Iīm hunting for 4th and 5th sub 60 expert  Wink
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Reply #272 - Nov 4th, 2006 at 8:16pm
 
Hmmm, maybe sub 4 board for hexx, but Iīm ok with 4,45 Tongue 2nd tourny win, here I come Grin Grin Grin! I warn you hexx, donīt even try to upload something faster Kiss

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Reply #273 - Nov 5th, 2006 at 8:27am
 
Congrats Nikolaj. I hoped I could come a little bit closer in the season ranking, but now, you're far away Sad. Great board, by the way...
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Reply #274 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 6:52am
 
@Stephan: Next season youīll beat me again, I lack time for sweeping  Cry my main playing day will be Saturday... And yes, I can imagine only a few boards more suitable for playing  Grin
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Reply #275 - Nov 20th, 2006 at 6:07pm
 
Here is the 10.68s vid of my last T victory Roll Eyes

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Reply #276 - Nov 22nd, 2006 at 12:09pm
 
WOW!!!!! WOW!!!!!

Almost sub-3s  Shocked  in just 3 clicks Wink

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Reply #277 - Nov 22nd, 2006 at 3:02pm
 
Grats, but... You are by far the fastest nonosweeper and you have to play those baby boards to win a tournament? Shame on you  Grin thatīs just sick ... (I know I had really easy board in T7 of S12) Tongue
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Reply #278 - Nov 23rd, 2006 at 3:41pm
 
Fu*************************
Embarrassed Embarrassed Cry Cry arrrrgggghhhhh!!!!!!
aaaaahhhh!!!
rrrrrrr
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I just messed up winning the T2! I got THE dream board:
right side:
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2 2 2 2 2 2
2 2

I happend to put an extra mine and died at 1.65
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Reply #279 - Nov 25th, 2006 at 8:36am
 
*that should have said one wrong mine (of course)
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@Christoph: thatīs really bad luck  Cry
@all: just tried current tourny for ~1 hour and didnīt make it past 10%... And even for the 10% I had to guess twice... I wonīt waste my energy for something like this. If anybody manages to solve this grid, he deserves the 8 points. Stephan, great opportunity to make 8 points gap between us Wink
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Reply #281 - Nov 26th, 2006 at 6:45pm
 
Hi Nikolaj,

I was already afraid of the new T board, when I got the new grid data. I know that large boards with low mine density are horrible. And this is even worse than 12x12/45.

But as
1) you played already for an hour without coming past 10% (!) and
2) no one has uploaded a score after 1/2 a day, I suggest the following:
Yariv, please change the current board to another one!

Thanks in advance in the name of most players, I think,
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Reply #282 - Nov 26th, 2006 at 7:12pm
 
well it was 10% mines to be honest. Of course I could use empty rows/columns as easy % gain. But I would vote for board change too.
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Reply #283 - Nov 27th, 2006 at 6:34pm
 
Well, I don't exactly get, why we should change the board. It's hard - true - but why not having such a challenge once? I played now almost 2 hours and twice came down to a 50/50 guess. So I think it's doable.
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Reply #284 - Nov 27th, 2006 at 7:26pm
 
Ok, I downloaded the board so late that I didn't saw the original one - so forget about what I claimed about the doability - but still I don't know what I should think about that it was changed.
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Reply #285 - Nov 30th, 2006 at 4:59am
 
SON OF A BEE STING! This board is hard...
I like it!!!

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Reply #286 - Dec 1st, 2006 at 6:58am
 
118 is quite nice time  Grin Grin Grin once I had identified top right 2 (thanks to the single 2 in the column it was impossible to place 3 there) the rest was a piece of cake, I triplechecked the single mines though, otherwise it would have been sub 100 Cheesy

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Reply #287 - Dec 16th, 2006 at 10:37pm
 
Wow, that was in the very last second - the very last game this evening, now I've to run to catch my train. And it cannot be closer 7.2 against 7.21. I think that point should have secured me the 1. Div for next season (well, if it stands of course - but I don't think something more will happen in T5)
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@Christoph: I can imagine you were quite happy. 0.01 s gap is nice (if you are not the one behind) Wink
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Reply #289 - Dec 24th, 2006 at 12:34pm
 
Hi guys and girls, merry Christmas and happy sweeping during the Christmas days from Stephan Bechtel!  Smiley Smiley
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Reply #290 - Dec 26th, 2006 at 2:50pm
 
Argh! I've hit the 2.57 now for a tenth time!
However, have a marvellous new year, but prepare to be overtaken by me Smiley
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Reply #291 - Jan 2nd, 2007 at 4:47pm
 
Damn!!!!!!!!

That was actually the most stupid thing that could happen!!
Gabi's just moving and has no internet at home, so she played a bit at my place and got this 48.something. She uploaded it and of course the computer remembered her account.
I just came home played a game, got this 29.85 clicked Upload as usual and then I wondered why I still had this 30.5. Only then I recognised what happened.

So Yariv, could you please correct the scores?
Gabi: 48.something (I think something=64 but I'm not sure)
Christoph: 29.85

I'm so sorry! It will not happen again. Today Gabi got her Inet cables and from tomorrow on she should also have Inet access.
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Reply #292 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 1:42pm
 
@Christoph: Iīm not sure whether Yariv checks this topic, perhaps try to contact him via email. Itīs really stupid situation  Wink By the way you are outstanding scout of new talents. Gabi is quite good sweeper  Smiley
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Reply #293 - Jan 8th, 2007 at 2:37pm
 
Tournament 8 of season 13 was very special for me and Maruda, we managed to achieve "double". Ok, maybe hexx didnīt play with 100% and maybe if Stephan had enough time to play or respond to our improvement it would be much harder, but itīs still very nice feeling  Wink
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Congrats nonotheless Angry
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Hexx, your 6.03 in S14_T01 is unbelievable! Can you show us the screenshot, please?
I'm very curious as I doubt that I would beat this time even if I knew the position of the mines.
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Reply #296 - Jan 11th, 2007 at 2:38pm
 
I even doubt I can break 8 seconds Wink Could I see your screenshot too please, Stephan? For me both times are awesome.
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Reply #297 - Jan 12th, 2007 at 10:32am
 
Well, I managed to get 6.98s ans 6.03s. Wink

6.03s grid does not seem to be particularly easy because it has no conjoined blanks, but they are very close together.
Unlike usual, I strarted on the top left and the path was in essence a Z.

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way to miss a chance to get to the 2nd place Grin... Blasted at 6:50, but thatīs no t my final word  Wink

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