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Nov 2nd, 2008 at 9:30pm
 
Hi friends of Nonosweeper Tournaments!

S25_T2 was the 200th Nonosweeper tournament!
Congratulations to Maruda, who managed to submit a time in every of the 200 competitions! This is an outstanding result, concerning the top 5 players in participations:
Rank Player Participations View player's profile Real name (Country)
1. Maruda 200 http://www.nonosweeper.com/cgi-bin/showuser.cgi?user=218 Jan Farnik (CZE)
2. Stephan Bechtel 199 http://www.nonosweeper.com/cgi-bin/showuser.cgi?user=170 Stephan Bechtel (GER)
3. Qetuth 187 http://www.nonosweeper.com/cgi-bin/showuser.cgi?user=280 n/a (AUS)
4. hexx 184 http://www.nonosweeper.com/cgi-bin/showuser.cgi?user=272 Paulo Justo (POR)
5. Bobo 181 http://www.nonosweeper.com/cgi-bin/showuser.cgi?user=63 n/a (BUL)

The honour for the most active country goes to the USA:
Rank Country Participations in total Number of different players
1. USA 843 13
2. Germany 634 8
3. Czech Republic 434 3
4. Country unknown 409 22
5. Bulgaria 362 5

The by far most successful player is hexx, of course, who won more than 50% of the tournaments he participated in:
Rank Player Tournaments won
1. hexx 98
2. Luca Vezzoni 33
2. Maruda 33
4. Stephan Bechtel 26
5. Nikolaj 3

hexx also collected the highest amount of points. Please note that e.g. eight points were counted for any rank #1, regardless the corresponding division:
Rank Player Points collected
1. hexx 1287
2. Maruda 1061
3. Stephan Bechtel 1001
4. Luca Vezzoni 868
5. Nikolaj 660
6. Qetuth 638
7. Roland Seibt 638
8. Vladimir Orlov 625
9. Gene 602
10. Richard 561

And there are other interesting facts, of course, concerning the tournament history in the era of divisions (divisions have been established after season 3):
* hexx, Maruda, and Stephan Bechtel are the only players who stayed in division 1 for all the time
* Richard never managed to get into division 1, but was listed in other divisions for all the time
* Bobo, and Spot never managed to get into divisions 1, or 2, but were listed in divisions 3, or 4 for all the time
* Yariv Hastilow continuously belonged to division 2 for 12 seasons
* Bobo continuously belonged to division 3 for 15 seasons
* The most relegations has Qetuth (16, 8 ups/8 downs), followed by Caren (13, +7/-6), and Richard (12, +6/-6)
* Manuel Heider is the only player who entered the tournaments in division 4, but managed to proceed up to division 1
* Vladimir Orlov was the first player who managed to climb up season per season from bottom to top division. He needed 14 tournament participations. EWQMinesweeper managed the same feat in only 13 tournament participations

Feel free to comment my useless statistics or to amend other nice findings!
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Reply #1 - Nov 2nd, 2008 at 10:19pm
 
very nice stats! well done! - can't really believe that i made it somewhere into these stats
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Reply #2 - Nov 3rd, 2008 at 2:28am
 
Great work Stephan!

Some even more useless stats about relegation pairs:

The most common partners to be relegated together:
Qetuth and Caren 6 times.
Vladimir Orlov and Gene 4 times.
Vladimir Orlov and Piman 3 times.
Dan and Roland Seibt 3 times.
Rincewind and Richard 3 times.

Qetuth and Caren were relegated together 5 seasons in a row (12..16), going back and forward between divisions 1 and 2.
Vladimir Orlov and Gene were relegated together 3 seasons in a row (7..9) and are also the only pair to have been relegated up to different divisions together (Division 3 to 2 in season 4, 2 to 1 in seasons 7 and 9)

The following list of partners have been relegated back and forward twice in a row together, hanging on the border of two divisions.
Vladimir and Piman, Brett Z and Raquel, Vladimir and Gene, Brett Z and Thy_Cowman, Dan and Roland, Richard and Raquel, Qetuth and Caren, Vladimir and Roland, Dragon and Vladimir, Manuel and Qetuth, Gabi and Manuel, Alliska and Qetuth, Rincewind and Richard, Gabi and EWQMinesweeper

Vladimir Orlov has been relegated 11 times (4th most relegations), with only 4 partners. All 4 are in the above list.

And while I'm at it, High Scores:
64: Luca Vezzoni in s12 d2
64: Dragon in s14 d3
62: hexx in s9 d1, s14 d1
62: Manuel Heider in s12 d4

Lowest winning score:
Kobbie, 35 points in season 18 division 3.

Highest score without relegation up (ignoring division 1):
Christoph, 46 points in season 10 division 2.
Season 10 also had equal second place in its other divisions, with both Peter and eL bEn failing to go up with 44 points.

Highest score which still got relegated:
Yariv Hastilow with 19 in season 15 (ending his 12 seasons in one division).
Gene with 19 in season 19.
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Reply #3 - Nov 3rd, 2008 at 8:01am
 
Great work Qetuth as well! Thanks!
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Reply #4 - Nov 3rd, 2008 at 10:04am
 
nice stats guys Smiley too bad I began my nonocareer later => I have 1 season in D2 Smiley but I've uploaded time in every tournament since my first participation Smiley
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Reply #5 - Nov 3rd, 2008 at 11:20pm
 
just got a very nice t3 board: 9 single mines.....not good for a fast time but it looks funny. also got a board with 2 5s in the middle lines which i screwed up to a 4s too.....i hate this board Angry
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Reply #6 - Nov 14th, 2008 at 9:00pm
 
1 question: how do i upload a picture to my post?

@all div1 folks (except stephan and maruda): if i was still in div1 in this season i would have almost beaten you by 3s! this time - i had a group of 2 mines wrong when i hit the blue face at 12s!
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Reply #7 - Dec 13th, 2008 at 11:41pm
 
another question: why does luca have 57 points after only 7 tournaments? he has won 6 tournaments this season and was 3rd in one too. so he should have 53points...or 61 tomorrow
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Reply #8 - Dec 14th, 2008 at 7:41pm
 
Hi EWQMinesweeper,
this is a relevant question indeed. I don't know why, and I assume it's just a mistake. Maybe, Yariv can help us.
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Reply #9 - Dec 21st, 2008 at 12:16pm
 
Hey players,
S26_T01 was quite interesting for me as I changed my playing style two times.
I started with clearing every square either by clicking the empty ones or by marking the mines. My best score was a 14.95.
Then I chose NF mode (without marking the mines). I came down to 11.79.
Finally, I switched to extreme flagging mode, without clicking the no-mine squares. I got my 10.25 and 7 sub-13s with that mode.

Now I'm just curious: Which style did you choose? Did you change your tactics as well?
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Reply #10 - Dec 21st, 2008 at 6:42pm
 
hi stephan,

in T1 it took me relatively long to find a solid style. my times were around 25-30s before i came to the conclusion that it'd be best for me to wait for an easy top or bottom line with as many mines as possible. i cleared these lines first and then from one side i started clearing the columns as far as possible and if needed i switched to solving them from the other side. that way i got my 14 and a few more 15s.

the only thing that was not like the previous tournaments for me was that switched very often from genius to exp to int to T1 to exp and the to mines-exp and then back to T1...


@my 9,71 in T2: it was my 2nd finished T2 board and i admit it was sooooooo easy. all mines were in only 3 rows in 5-1-2 3-1 and 1-1-6
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Reply #11 - Dec 21st, 2008 at 7:53pm
 
I think it is important to remember the community that someone has achieved a relevant milestone Smiley

Someone = hexx Wink
Achivement = 100th T win  Cheesy

For this reason i´m posting the vid link here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFhQNihvlVs

@ Stephan: I hope you enjoy the vid!!!!
It shows clearly that  NF strategy is the best option, despite of the 42 safe blocks opened.
NF really works on very easy boards, which seems to be the case. Shocked
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Reply #12 - Dec 22nd, 2008 at 8:01am
 
Hi hexx,

congratulations for winning the 100th tournament. Of course, this is an enormous performance as all other players together have hardly more than 100 wins...

The video is amazing. I had to view it four times until I could recognize your tactics. And you play way to fast for my eyes... So, I would have needed a much better board to beat your 9.03 using NF.
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Reply #13 - Dec 22nd, 2008 at 10:49am
 
@ Hexx

Congratulations  Smiley


@ Stephan

I played T1 board in NF-style. I can't play low density boards quickly in "extreme flagging mode" because of wasting time when  too much thinking.
I've seen Hexx' 9,03 video. What do you think about solving upper and lower rows at start? Is it more quick then solving the board for one passage from side to side (like I did)?
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Reply #14 - Dec 22nd, 2008 at 1:01pm
 
Hi Vladimir,

hexx' int level strategy is/was to solve the two columns leftmost/rightmost and the top/bottom rows in a circle and then solve the rest. I appreciate that strategy for my intermediate games as well.
So, I think it can be a good strategy for rectangular boards, too. The advantage obviously is that you usually increase the amount of obvious columns. That advantage could overdo the disadvantage of jumping around through the board...
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Reply #15 - Dec 24th, 2008 at 4:43pm
 
after 3 horrible 9s games today and yesterday (9,73s, 9,76s and 9,95s) i finally lowered my score for T2 again  Tongue Roll Eyes : 9,04s

i'm really wondering why this is the 3rd best score in this tournament, because usually i'm rather slow on such boards. tactic for this level is to flag all mines and then blue face, right?
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Reply #17 - Dec 26th, 2008 at 10:06am
 
that sucks, blasting such an easy board on sth like this...



believe it or not: i got exactly this board on sunday as my 2nd finished T2 board and i solved it in 9.71s
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Reply #18 - Dec 26th, 2008 at 11:17am
 
EWQMinesweeper wrote on Dec 26th, 2008 at 10:06am:
believe it or not: i got exactly this board on sunday as my 2nd finished T2 board and i solved it in 9.71s


Pray to Great Random  Wink
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Reply #19 - Dec 26th, 2008 at 11:48am
 
hahaha

i just got my 6th 9s game on T2: a 9.28s

it's time for a sub9 game now
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Reply #20 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 8:13am
 
bleh, not much time for playing these days, hopefully I'll manage to stay in D1 Wink
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Reply #21 - Jan 4th, 2009 at 5:49pm
 
Hi Bobo,

congratulations for winning your first Div3 Tournament - after so many participations, you really deserve it.
Good luck in relegating upwards!
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Reply #22 - Apr 4th, 2009 at 3:09pm
 
Hi guys,

I regret to inform you that the time has come to say goobye to tournaments. Cry Cry Cry
Everything has an end, now is the correct moment to retire. Undecided
What else can I do after:
near 4 years playing;
more than 200 participations;
111 T Win (symbolic figure);
17 victories on T seasons!!!!

All this numbers are huge but I'm completely sure that someone in a near future will break this marks very easily... Wink

I hope you guys understand my decision.

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Reply #23 - Apr 5th, 2009 at 6:47pm
 
are you serious?  Cry Cry Cry
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Reply #24 - Apr 5th, 2009 at 8:54pm
 
Hi hexx,

hopefully you are just kidding, but I'm quite sure that you are not, indeed Cry.

I understand your decision as I a) have less and less time to play, and b) often wonder whether a computer game addiction is the right thing for a sup-30-year-old guy...

If you really retire, let me say that it was always a great honour to lose against you and an even greater ambition to win a single tournament or a whole season in your presence. And even if anyone will break your marks (I've already broken the 4-years mark and have quite more T participations Wink, but I think you thought of the really outstanding ones - and they will last long: Maruda will need min. 10 seasons to beat the 111, and min. 13 seasons to tie the 17 Shocked), it won't be the same again. A real Nono era will go to an end! Thank you for sharing your Nono performance with us.



@all: I thought the historic thing of season 29 might be that after a series of 8 seasons in a row, div 1 consists of male players only, as Alliska, Caren, and Gabi relegated in div 2 again, but obviously I was mistaken...
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Reply #25 - Apr 7th, 2009 at 9:21am
 
@hexx: It's always sad to see any regular leaving, but your retirement is even more sad  Cry. Nonetheles I understand you. I still claim the win in our bet and expect meeting you with bottle of the best portuguese wine some day Wink Your records will probably last very long. Good luck in real life  Wink

Last 2 seasons I play +-30 minutes per tournament because I lack time and the fun Nonosweeper gave me for several years is slowly fading... Because I don't play levels I'm getting more and more rusty and probably won't be able to compete with Manuel or Fritz and relegate soon (I was lucky not to relegate already in season 27  Cool) but hey guys, it won't be so easy for you Wink
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Reply #26 - Apr 12th, 2009 at 4:40am
 
stephan, maruda, you are really lucky that i failed on a low 21 on the very last click...untill 3.30am i was in the mood for nono but then i play ms and got 3*sub50 in 1 hour...

i won't make the mistake of T1 again in this season...next tournaments will show if i need to redefine my goal of 3rd place in this season Wink
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Reply #27 - Apr 12th, 2009 at 10:32am
 
well, i think that both of us failed to finish several sub 20 in T1 Wink

i think you have no rivals in your battle for 3rd place. GL Wink
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Reply #28 - Apr 13th, 2009 at 10:55am
 
Maybe EWQ will attack my position, Maruda...
I was quite lucky with the 2nd rank in T1, as I didn't have much time to play and only missed a single sub-20. And as I probably won't have much time to play during the whole current season, I might fight hard for winning any T or finishing the season in #2 or #1.
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Reply #29 - May 25th, 2009 at 8:22pm
 
@yariv and at all: i have to say that i am quite unhappy with the T8 board. in over 4 hours of playing i could win only 1 board, and that was with several guesses...difficult boards are good for tournaments but T8 is too difficult/hard to finish enough games in a reasonable amount of time to have a real competition between sweepers...
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Reply #30 - May 28th, 2009 at 12:53pm
 
seeing that i just got 79s on T8 i want to say that the board i got was extremely easy...the only easy board i got in almost 10 hours of playing T8 so far...

does anyone know why stephan is not taking part in t7 and t8???
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Reply #31 - May 31st, 2009 at 1:52pm
 
Hi EWQM.,

I know why Stephan was not taking part in T7 and T8...
During T7, I was absent due to holidays, and was away from any Nonosweeper PC, so I couldn't play that T.
I returned on Wednesday, but didn't have much time to play T8. As I both hate medium density boards and didn't have luck in finishing any board within half an hour, I decided to give up season 28, and to re-enter Nono Ts in season 29!
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Reply #32 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 9:07pm
 
Happy Birthday Stephan!!!
Go on and this one!
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Reply #33 - Jun 6th, 2009 at 6:36pm
 
ouch!!
I messed that up big time - this really should have been a 1.1x but I missed a square and had to go back to it to end up with a 1.41 - well, T1 is not over yet and I can still decide if I prefer to watch Serbia-Austria or to keep on playing Smiley
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Reply #34 - Jun 17th, 2009 at 10:42pm
 
@gero and roland: are you going to play several seasons in a row or is it just an occassional popping up? Tongue

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Reply #35 - Jul 20th, 2009 at 11:58am
 
Hi tournament participants,
due to database problems, Yariv had to restart S29_T8! The T8 board is a 20x4/23 grid. So, if you downloaded your current tournament info yesterday (i.e. at a time where the problems weren't solved), you should just update the current T info now in order to play the correct board.
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Reply #36 - Jul 24th, 2009 at 3:02pm
 
@stephan: for this really really sucks....because of sth of this kind i will not be able to stay in div1  Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad

the thing is, i am currently, from sunday till sunday, in cefalu in italy. on last sunday i got up very early, just to play the last  tournament, got a very decent time, thought nothing bad and that i'd be safe in div1 and then i have to find out this................

just not happy.....


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Reply #37 - Jul 25th, 2009 at 2:03pm
 
@EWQMinesweeper: I've been away the final weekend of T5, and I just couldn't get to the internet in time to upload the 4.18 I got which would have won me the tournament. So it strikes all of us once in a while (maybe I will relagate as well, just because of this). As long as you keep enjoying the game it doesn't matter if you spend a season in Div2.
I retired from competing a long time ago. I play boards only seriously if I like them (and there are way too few really nice tourny boards). Avarage boards I just play once or twice a week and I don't really care how many points they earn me. And I'm not interested in ugly boards. If that's enough for staying up... fine, if not... fine as well.
So don't be angry or frustrated - that's not what the game is made for.
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Reply #38 - Jul 26th, 2009 at 3:28pm
 
Hi EWQM.,
of course, this is not the way one wants to relegate. But in fact, season 29 would have been closed after 7 tournaments, and this wouldn't have been fair as well for every player who hoped for a good T8. I didn't know that Yariv has to start a new T8 board when repairing the database, and I did my best to inform all the players.

So, maybe just take the chance to tie Luca's record of winning all 8 Ts in division 2 within a season.

Btw, as the relegated players were a German one (EWQM.) and a sup-30-aged (Nikolaj), I (German sup-30-aged) don't appreciate these relegations very much...
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Reply #39 - Jul 27th, 2009 at 12:53pm
 
@stephan and christoph: of course i'll stick to nono  Wink

it was just a bad coincidence and i'm not at all mad at anyone...i guess i can use it as a big motivation to get back into div1 as soon as i can Tongue
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Reply #40 - Jul 27th, 2009 at 7:40pm
 
Oh well, it had to come sooner or later Smiley

I guess wedding preparations stole most of my free time + as Christoph said this season we didn't have many nice boards - e.g. I hate extreme rectangles - we had 4 boards + the 3x8/12 mines one. I must say I really enjoyed this season Tongue
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Reply #41 - Jul 31st, 2009 at 11:55am
 
This season 30 starts with pretty much the only kind of NFing board I like, but luck seems to doesn't like me on it: I just got almost in a row this 6.42 and then LCs on 6.24, 4.87 and 5.99 before I got another 6.56 and 7.01. And now my playing time for this week is almost over Sad

I wonder if s30 will get similary interesting to s29 where the religation players from Div1 cummulated 39 points - 10 points more then ever bevore.
It already looks likely, that Div 4 will survive this s30 - I somehow hope that it can establish itself for longer this time Smiley
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Reply #42 - Jul 31st, 2009 at 2:19pm
 
@Nikolaj: Did I read wedding?
Very much congrats!!! Let us know more.  Smiley  Smiley
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Reply #43 - Aug 22nd, 2009 at 10:05pm
 
I really hate such random boards like this S30 T4!
I mean, I like long rectangles - but this one is just random as it is almost guaranteed that some players get really easy boards and some not. I got only one easy board where I could clear the top row in the beginning and died on a guess at the very end - it would have been about a 28 and would probably have (very undeserved) won me that T.
I mean quite big boards are ok because nobody gets lucky, smallish and small boards are ok because everybody gets lucky - but I hate this midrange randomness! Smiley
However, I don't think that too many here will share this oppinion such that it doesn't make too much sense to try to do something against. :|
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Reply #44 - Aug 23rd, 2009 at 4:42pm
 
@Christoph: I generally agree. I was quite shocked when I saw Gabi's time of 36 submitted on sunday while I hang at high 40s. It is well known that on such boards you can have very easy ones.
Nonetheless, I wouldn't do anything against long rectangle boards. In long-run statistics, most Ts ended with wins of hexx or Maruda, on nearly every type of board.
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Reply #45 - Aug 24th, 2009 at 12:56am
 
I don't really have anything against a particular type of board although I prefer larger ones that require more thought than luck. But it seems lately we're getting SOOO MANY skew boards!  Cry I was starting to think the system which chooses between the types each season was stuck on the skew setting.

At least this one, despite appearing skewed, plays more like beginner than skewed, so it's a change. Already on the first day two people have beaten the best time of the last time it ran (2.51)
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Reply #46 - Aug 25th, 2009 at 9:17am
 
@Qetuth: I didn't mean long rectangles in general, I meant random boards. I've nothing against long rectangles, I like them. I just don't like, when the probability of getting an easy board is in a range when it guarantees that only some players get lucky. This is what I hate - the board itself was nice and I enjoyed playing it (otherwise I wouldn't have wasted my time with it).
Of course I enjoy the actual board much more, but again I'm unlucky with the timing - my mum is in town to marry next week, thus I'll have even less time to play. However, perhaps I'll find some time and decent boards on saturday to get something better than this 2.30 (I fear the winning time should be around 1.80).
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Reply #47 - Aug 25th, 2009 at 3:11pm
 
i have to say i did like T4 a lot, though i have to admit i got my best time late at night and being a little drunk (i guess it means it must have been a pretty easy board then).

in general i'm mre a fan of large and slower boards than of those that require only 2-5 seconds of fast clicking - it seems no matter what i do i am just too slow for them (hehe Wink). my 1st sub3 on T5, which i just got, required only 5 clicks and you all would easily have done way better than me on it...i hope that 1 or 2 of the last 3 boards will be a lot bigger (i love boards that take 150-250s to solve them)
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Reply #48 - Nov 22nd, 2009 at 1:38am
 
I know I'm bringing back old topic but I had real fun this tournament, I posted what I thought is best I can do at the start of the week, another player posted a time 2 seconds faster, I tried to give it a last effort to match him, I ended up besting my time 3 times, the second time I was .02 seconds behind the leader, so I kept playing for about hour and a half till i took the lead.
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Reply #49 - Nov 22nd, 2009 at 8:20am
 
Hi NyMike,

congratulations for your first division win - it's always nice to see the #1 in front of one's own name Cheesy!
And, of course, it's really a big advantage of the T system, to compete directly with the times of other players who already have submitted their times. Often enough, you play a lot to get up to the guys in front of you, but just don't manage it to beat them Angry.
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Reply #50 - Nov 22nd, 2009 at 12:21pm
 
big congrats mike!  Cheesy

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so I kept playing for about hour and a half till i took the lead
- that's real dedication to the game Wink hope you'll make it into div3 asap
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Reply #51 - Nov 23rd, 2009 at 4:25pm
 
out of curiousity: what's your approach to solve T2

my 2 ways of solving seem to be almost equally fast...so i wonder which of the obvious ways you are using and why Roll Eyes
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Reply #52 - Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:03am
 
EWQMinesweeper wrote on Nov 23rd, 2009 at 4:25pm:
out of curiousity: what's your approach to solve T2

my 2 ways of solving seem to be almost equally fast...so i wonder which of the obvious ways you are using and why Roll Eyes



I'm not comfortable using the blue face method as evidenced by my poor performance in last seasons tournament which required a blue face solve, but I wonder if that's the kind board you blue face?
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Reply #53 - Nov 26th, 2009 at 3:22am
 
I am not good at this tournament board... It does not matter anyway since I am only in div. 3 Wink
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Reply #54 - Jan 22nd, 2010 at 12:51pm
 
Finally a reasonable time on this T2 S33. 0.07 off my former best, but I still don't think it'll stand - Stephan and Jan are just too fast these days...
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Reply #55 - Jan 22nd, 2010 at 1:08pm
 
hehehe nice sub2

i think there is more than a chance that it will stand Smiley
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Reply #56 - Jan 22nd, 2010 at 4:00pm
 
I doubt that I will sub-2 on this board. I'm not as fast as I was. Must be a 6-6 to sub-2, I think.

But Maruda will definitely beat you, as he beats nearly every time that is submitted Wink
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Reply #57 - Feb 28th, 2010 at 10:36am
 
Arrgh! What a wastes S33 T7 opportunity. That really should have been my 8th tourny.
I had to change my mouse this week and couldn't get used to the new one - it is really hard to find good settings for it. So 1.81 seems not to bad with it  Cry
But if I'm not winning these tournies I most enjoy, I really should realegate  Smiley
However, I'm not gonna play this ugly T8... so bad news for who ever plans to promote from D2 next season  Smiley

But what's really sad this season is, that only 7 players sent scores in D4. I think also with 7 players it's a fully worth division and shouldn't merge. I'd really appreciate if the bottom division-merge would be cut down to less than 6 or even 5 - one could argue, that a division makes sense, if more than half the players are active (following that the bottom division should also split after pos 8 if there are more than 12 or 13 players). What do you think? (I'd like the idea of a kind of permanent Div 4 - it just looks better).
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Reply #58 - Mar 2nd, 2010 at 1:36am
 
wow a 12 minute epic win, how does the current tournament compare to genius level for those that have completed both.
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Reply #59 - Mar 2nd, 2010 at 10:40am
 
@Christoph:
Your mouse problems were good luck for me. I usually never win beginner-style tournaments, but this time I was lucky with a very easy board which catapulted me from #6 into #1.

About division 4: I don't like mid divisions with only 50% continuously active players. In current div3, Shadow is likely to stay even if he participated only in 2 tournaments and only received 6 points. But we won't change that.
But I still would prefer a rule that with an inactive player in div X, there should be 3 promoters out of div X+2 to have eight active players in div X+1 in the new season. Unfortunately, I assume this will be a problem to be changed.

Perhaps, the bottom-division merge could depend on the number of submitted Ts out of all div players. In the current case, we have 7 players in div 4, but only 20 submissions overall in 7 tournaments (avg. of 2.86 per player). So, in my opinion, it's not a fully worth division as most players are passing by irregularly.

@nymike:
Current T is way easier than genius, as mine density is 60% whereas in genius level, it's only 49%. I compare it to expert level - the only difference is that you need concentration for a longer time. You should easily finish in less than 500 seconds, I think.


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Reply #60 - Mar 6th, 2010 at 4:30am
 
Stephan, right now your prediction is right on the money, but I feel like I can do considerably better, the end games of large boards on nono are brutal.
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Reply #61 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 3:07am
 
This is my third full season in these tournaments, and for the first time i feel like I let one get away, my board was a 5 column and another 4 column, doesn't get any better than that but a hesitation costed me time
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Reply #62 - Mar 12th, 2010 at 8:38pm
 
1.73 on a board with a 4 in the 1st and a 5 in the 4th column... Cheesy

nice story behind this score: got this after not even 3 min of playing. when i started playing i told myself i would keep playing the whole next 30min just to get at least one 4+5 board.

c'mon guys, you know i'm usually barely 5th or 6th on such boards. hurry up and get some sub1.73 scores Wink
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Reply #63 - Mar 12th, 2010 at 10:22pm
 
Somehow I'm disappointed, that I'm not gonna win this T. I thought that I'd need a sub 1 as the WR is 1.20 on it, but I couldn't do better than this 1.52  Cry
I can't play for the rest of the T as I'm playing at the austrian mixed curling championships this weekend. We just lost our opening game against the tournament favorites. So we are looking to do better tomorrow to make it to the playoffs Smiley
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Reply #64 - Mar 14th, 2010 at 12:19pm
 
@Christoph: Somehow, I'm quite happy that my 1.46 was enough to win this T. Thanks, as I didn't get a single 5-4 oder 5/5 combination this week, I couldn't do better than this 1.46 on a 2-2-5 combination.

By the way, this T was probably the first one where German players got all medal ranks. We should talk with the IOC about making this board an Olympic discipline Grin
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Reply #65 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 3:31pm
 
just lost a 22.59 - would've been the square left to where i clicked...somehow i like this board Grin
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Reply #66 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 4:22pm
 
crap! just blasted a 20 with 1 click to go... Angry sub20 is possible - what do you think maruda and stephan?
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Reply #67 - Mar 18th, 2010 at 6:42pm
 
i agree Wink
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Reply #68 - Mar 18th, 2010 at 6:55pm
 
I agree as well even if Maruda's time is far away from mine again Sad
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Reply #69 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 7:27pm
 
close battle for 3rd place in div1 this tourny, eh? Wink
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Reply #70 - Mar 27th, 2010 at 4:28pm
 
@EWQM.: And open battle for 1st and 2nd place, eh?! Good time - good luck for staying in #1.
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Reply #71 - Mar 30th, 2010 at 1:38am
 
i just got a column 3/19, as well as 1 1 21, if my reflexes were as quick as some of you guys.
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Reply #72 - Apr 8th, 2010 at 10:09am
 
why does nobody in div2 in S34/T5 get the 6 points for 2nd place?
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Reply #73 - Apr 9th, 2010 at 1:30am
 
Thank you for noticing that Fritz, I was thinking the same thing I just dont want to cry over a point lol
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Reply #74 - Apr 9th, 2010 at 10:44am
 
I'm not gonna play this S34T5, it's way too ugly for my understanding. But still it brought a thought to my mind I think I should ask the community about:
If one uses a double head monitor system in a way that one has the same picture on both screens then one could arrange the screens and the long rectange in a way, that the numbers on the right hand side (so also right hand side on the left screen) would be just left of the board on the right screen. Thus one could find the correct numbers for the lines with way less eye-movement.
I didn't try it, but still I think that could give a clear advantage. So: Should that be considered cheating?
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Reply #75 - Apr 9th, 2010 at 12:19pm
 
technically it's cheating but i doubt it is useful enough to give an advantage (left side of the board stays at the same positions but the right side with the numbers may move to the left and right when you hit f2). but how in the world could we be able to prove that somebody uses this trick?
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Reply #76 - Apr 9th, 2010 at 5:25pm
 
I agree with EWQM. As the board width varies, you won't be really able to adapt the monitor in a way that on the left one, the numbers are at the rightmost place. But simply try and tell us Wink
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Reply #77 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 2:17pm
 
Hey EWQM. and Manuel! Thank you for a wonderful nono season 35 for Germany (competing with Austria and Czech Republic only), finishing in ranks 1 to 3:
GER 1-1-1-0-0-0-0-0
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Reply #78 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 3:07pm
 
@stephan: don't forget that thanks to lutz we're now having the first season ever with 4 sweepers from the same country in div 1
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Reply #79 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 11:26am
 
Well, well, two Ts gone and the points table looks somehow familiar, considering the S35 results  Shocked
Honestly, would anyone bet against Stephan to win 8 Ts and the S36 more than 20 points clear?  Huh
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Reply #80 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 3:25pm
 
I would bet against winning myself all 8 Ts - the boards already played were quite good ones; int/exp level style is still very likely to come, then Gabi or anyone else will beat me. And small board with few mines will problably come up as well, then you will beat me Wink
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Reply #81 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 4:28pm
 
I won Wink - no 8 T wins in S36 by me.
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Reply #82 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 8:55pm
 
@stephan: and it might be that you also won't get to win 7 T's in S 36 Tongue

i LOVE this board. got 7.70, 7.96 and 7.60 so far on boards that were good but not perfect. blasted sth that could have already been a sub7. i'd like to hear your strategies for this weeks board (after thw tournament of course Wink)
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Reply #83 - Aug 8th, 2010 at 10:41am
 
Yes, might... Congratulations, nearly one second gap to #2 at 7 seconds game time is nearly hexx dimensions Smiley. Seems that you didn't need other players' strategies. Myself, I didn't like the board, so I'm quite happy with #3.
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Reply #84 - Aug 8th, 2010 at 11:40am
 
I felt not so comfortable on that board. But stil I'd probably done better had I just had a desk to play on Grin
I'm refurnishing and was thus a little handicaped  that week  Wink Somewhen while this T I should get my new desk - then it'll be time to watch out (this 4.08 is a touchpad score Cool ).

@Stephan: ok, so you won this bet Smiley but the part about winning the S 20 points clear is stil open... you're at 14 now, just 2 points off winning the S with two Ts to spare. Considering how balenced the field behind you is at the moment, two wins should put you on 20 points.
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Reply #85 - Aug 8th, 2010 at 1:03pm
 
@stephan: thanks

my strategy was to wait for a 15 in top row while having the cursor in the bottom right corner. then i'd solve the bottom row from the right to the left and then column by column. my 7.00 board had a 1-5 in the first column, which already saved 3 clicks. in total i needed only 13 clicks for it.
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Reply #86 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:48am
 
@Christoph: You were right, two wins were sufficient to get a gap of 21 points Smiley, as the ranks of the other ones were really balanced. Luckily, I didn't bet against the 20 points part Wink.

I had a quick look at historic gaps in nono seasons:
1. Maruda 24 (to Stephan in S28)
2. Stephan 21 (to Manuel in S36)
3. hexx 17 (to Luca in S06)
4. Luca 7 (to hexx in S08)

In S37, I definitively won't be able to repeat this performance as I will be in holidays for several days Cheesy.
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Reply #87 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:43pm
 
congratulations to stephan on winning S36.

S36 was the fastest season so far. quick stats:

52.02s, stephan (S36, 1st place)
59.73s, fritz (S36, 4th place)
61.98s, manu (S36, 2nd place)
65.46s, christoph (S36, 3rd place)
70.44s, gabi (S36, 6th place)
71.72s, maruda (S36, 5th place)
79.32s, hexx (S21, 1st place)
83.66s, nikolaj (S36, div2)
83.73s, qetuth (S36, 8th place)
84.17s, vladimir (S36, div2)
84.22s, caren (S36, div2)
85.58s, hexx (S12, 1st place)
87.08s, maruda (S21, 3rd place)
87.28s, stephan (S21, 2nd place)
93.03s, maruda (S14, 3rd place)
94.66s, nikolaj (S21, 4th place)
95.35s, stephan (S14, 2nd place)
97.06s, hexx (S22, 1st place)
98.26s, maruda (S12, 2nd place)
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Reply #88 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:08pm
 
Hi EWQM.,

nice fastest season statistics, even if it highly depends on the boards played in the corresponding seasons. If you check out winner times in past seasons, S36 had only boards which could be finished by the T winner in 12.73 seconds or faster. S21 had 21.95 as highest winner time. All other seasons contained boards where already one single board needed 30, 40 or even 100 seconds. In those seasons, a total sum of 52.02 would be difficult to reach Cool
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Reply #89 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:56pm
 
I got dropped last season, will try to come back with vengeance this season.
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Reply #90 - Sep 12th, 2010 at 11:51am
 
i LOVE this week's level (S37/T4)
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Reply #91 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 6:41am
 
20 is definitely very fast and is likely to be enough for winning this T. I'm quite happy with my 22 in a week in which I didn't have much time to play.
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Reply #92 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 8:11pm
 
Angry when in the last 7 hours of T4 did you submit your score, maruda? congrats on winning T4  Wink
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Reply #93 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 7:05am
 
sorry EWQ, it was on sunday 7:55 CET...
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Reply #94 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 2:22am
 

It is done, but Nonosweeper seems not to give me an URL if u need more than 999. Anyone else having the same problem?


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Reply #95 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 11:21am
 
i couldn't even finish a single board in over 2 hours of playing...
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Reply #96 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 11:44am
 
The board's density is comparable to Genius (even a little bit worse), but as the board is much bigger, it is defnitively one of the most difficult boards we ever faced in T history.

If Christoph needed nearly two hours to finish one board, I doubt that anyone will finish in less than 999 seconds. I don't know whether a URL is only available for times below 999 seconds. @Christoph: You should write to Yariv. Maybe he can solve the problem.
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Reply #97 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 11:44am
 
@EWQ: Lucky you  Smiley
Imagine you played the one board almost two hours, finish it and then the upload doesn't work  Cry
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Reply #98 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 11:50am
 
@Stephan: I didn't play two hours on the trott - I had breaks a meal and a toilet break  Grin But still the playing time well exceeded an hour.

Actually there's a little more wrong with the current season - there is a second T1 in the tournament list.
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Reply #99 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 11:51am
 
This must be a horror - I can imagine as my PC crashed several times after getting a personal best before having uploaded the time. But these were boards within 2-300 seconds... You'd deserve the 8 points for winning this T (and anybody else getting 6-5-4-3-2-1 points)! I tried only for 10 minutes, then decided to wait until saturday Wink. As by now, no one has submitted a time, so it is still possible that this T will be the emptiest one in history Shocked.
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Reply #100 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 2:28pm
 
solved the new one in 446s...no forced guesses needed Cheesy

@christoph: thanks for msging yariv
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Reply #101 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 3:02pm
 
Somehow I feel betrayed. Having solved the original board I have to see it replaced with a board on which I have no chance to get any points...
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Reply #102 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 10:44pm
 
I gave up playing the board and was shocked that somebody 1. finished that board 2. so fast

Now I found the tournament was changed. Hooray for me, would never have enough time to solve it.

@Christoph: wow Shocked
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Reply #103 - Nov 4th, 2010 at 10:09pm
 
I can understand Christoph. I suggest to list him with 300.00 seconds for the current board. Would be fair, I think.
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Reply #104 - Nov 4th, 2010 at 10:54pm
 
@stephan: i disagree.
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Reply #105 - Nov 5th, 2010 at 7:58pm
 
i won´t have enough time to beat 300, so i don´t agree too Smiley
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Reply #106 - Nov 6th, 2010 at 9:48am
 
I agree  Grin  Grin
However, what hurts even more is the extra week, such that really everyone has enought time to beat my 700odd. But if you'd really like to even things out... let me choose the next board  Cheesy  Grin
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Reply #107 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 6:50pm
 
finaly won a good board Wink had already LC'd 3 of them and messed up a board with 0 on the left and 11 on the right and all mines aligned to the 11...

i'm very curious which method you use to solve S38/T4. but let's not talk about strategy while the tournament is still running Wink

@maruda: only started playing this board again because you beat my time Tongue
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Reply #108 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 6:08pm
 
@ewq: finished just 3 games, so it´s not a problem Wink
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Reply #109 - Nov 21st, 2010 at 9:35am
 
@EWQM.: About strategy - after several unsuccessful attempts with different mixtures of flagging and NF, the final strategy was pure flagging while playing only those boards where I got a nice first or last column. Moreover, the main progress in times came by playing as risky as possible - so I lost several 13 and 14 games as well as one 11 due to wrong guesses.
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Reply #110 - Nov 21st, 2010 at 11:14am
 
@stephan: that's really interesting. i started with a mix of flagging and nonflagging as well, but after 15 minutes i decided to try hexx-strategy: waiting for solvable columns on the sides and nonflagging the rest. it took at least 10 minutes to finish a game this way but my first game was already a 13. overall i finished only ~15 games throughout the whole week.
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Reply #111 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 7:04am
 
Today I'm lucky  Wink
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Reply #112 - Nov 24th, 2010 at 1:55pm
 
Well done Vladimir! That game might bring new life into the fight for relegation.

Finally I got a new personal best on that grid. But I don't think that 11.12 will stand (well, considering Harryck it doesn't even stand right now), Stephan usually sub10s on this board. Yet I feel fast - but I think I'd need an 8.odd and I don't think I can/should invest the time to get an easy enough board for it.
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Reply #113 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 11:40am
 
Well done, guys... I would have appreciated if my sub12 would have been enough Wink.

About sub10ing: Stephan usually had more time than this week to sub10 on this board. So, I hope that Saturday will be enough for a 10.xx Cool.
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Reply #114 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 10:19am
 
Was enough for two sub11s, but it was tough. Thank you, Christoph, for not striking back Tongue.
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Reply #115 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 11:17am
 
I had no time to play yesterday. Actually my computer was switched on only for about 5 mins (just to look up the results from the ATP Tour Finals). So it wasn't difficoult to not strike back  Grin
I'm not sure when and if I'll play the current T (first I need to get back my mouse from my girlfriend...) Roll Eyes
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Reply #116 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:03pm
 
got a super-easy board...unfortunately a bit too early: not at all warmed up and still a bit sleepy. at least i finished it Wink

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3 empty columns and no guesses...needed only 19 clicks.
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Reply #117 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 11:05am
 
Historic moment: After unbelievable 307 tournament participations in a row (which means participating in every existing tournament from S01/T1 to S38/T5), Maruda finally didn't submit times for S38/T6! Hey Maruda, I hope you won't retire?!

P.S. Congratulations to EWQM. Good job!
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Reply #118 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 2:50pm
 
Historic and sad... but I'm more concerned about Klaras disappearence, does anyone know what's the matter with her?

My sub2 today was pure luck (for me because it was a super easy board and for everybody else because my hands were totally frozen and I hardly could move the fingers at all - probably it would have been a sub1 otherwise). Maybe I'll find a little time to play at home (where it's warm and cosy) later this week.
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Reply #119 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 2:58pm
 
@Christoph: Klara missed 5 Ts in a row, but submitted for 2 of the last 3 Ts. So, I think, she hasn't disappeared.
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Reply #120 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 3:11pm
 
klara probably doesn't have enough time to play regulary so she makes sure to stay in division 2 by playing only as many tournaments as needed for that.

maybe maruda just overslept and couldn't upload 5min before the deadline.

@stephan: thanks

@christoph: i got a 1.93 - like you - and only seconds after a 1.92 Cheesy. no ambitions at winning this board though. i know how fast you are Wink
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Reply #121 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 3:34am
 
Love the current tournament board! So easy to get good time on it
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Reply #122 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 6:49am
 
@stephan: in fact i´ve retired few seasons ago. i play max. 1 hour per week. and this week i simply forgot to play Smiley no reason to be sad

@christoph: klara must take care of me because i´m very lazy. she must clean, cook, wash, iron... she has no time to play nono Grin

in fact we are a little bored with the game. but once the time comes when we start to play hard again Wink
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Reply #123 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 6:08pm
 
@Maruda: I already assumed that nonosweeper doesn't play the important role that it did 2-3 years ago. The sad thing for all other players (including myself) is that there are still lots of boards where you are competitive for finishing in top 3 or even winning the tournament with this single hour per week. So, if you play as much as you need to stay in division 1, I predict that you will always win some tournament from time to time.

@Harryck: 1.44 is great, but in all-time ranking, it's "only" #4 behind Maruda, Christoph, and Qetuth Wink.
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Reply #124 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 11:37pm
 
I'm just getting started  Wink

Also this board has played before in previous tournaments??
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Reply #125 - Dec 8th, 2010 at 7:56am
 
Sure, 3x8/12 has been T board twice. See statistics on my website for detailed times.
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wawawait? nymike with 2.66s?? that's awesome!
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Reply #127 - Dec 13th, 2010 at 9:14pm
 
@stephan: nice 6.48 Tongue i already had a 6.04 LC blast. sub6 might be possible if i have to play more to win Wink you?
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Reply #128 - Dec 14th, 2010 at 9:25am
 
@EWQM.: 6.48 was nice, but useless after I saw your 6.42 Sad. I will probably have some time to play, but it is not sure that I will improve my time as I don't really like these boards with impair width and height like 19x17. sub6 is definitively possible, hexx already achieved that in former T Cool
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Reply #129 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 6:45am
 
Alliska was relegated with score 22 in season 35. It was highest score for relegated player. In this season score can be higher!
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Reply #130 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 1:34pm
 
good luck vladimir Wink

haven't checked but it must be also a very rare event that before the last tournament of a season only 2 sweepers are safe from relegation...

EDIT: just had a blast at 5.87s with only 2 clicks left. last column was 7-8 and i decided to solve it as if the 2 squares in the middle were empty (obviously the fastest solution Wink ). well, right the next game i got a 5.95 on a board that i could have solved in 12 clicks. for some reason however i did 15 clicks Tongue

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Reply #131 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 10:32pm
 
Yes, Vladimir, very high score for relegating... I guess it'll hit me with 22 or 23 points. I was very unlucky last week. I lost a 0.89 with one wrong flag. Then I got some snail-mail and while opening I cut my finger such that I couldn't play untill today ;(
I really don't like the current T and I can't see me scoring heavily on it (especially because I'll have no opportunity to play on the weekend).
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@all: Happy new year! Smiley Smiley
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I'm slow.

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Saw it, freaked out, didn't want to screw up.
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Reply #134 - Jan 6th, 2011 at 11:48am
 
unbelievable...

chances of getting such a board are 1 in 1 670 000 000 000

good job finishing it. i most likely would have either messed up by flagging a wrong mine, missing the blue face or somehow else.
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I think such boards must happen more often because of mine placing algorithm. If mines placed equiprobable we get only single mines, sometimes pairs.
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Reply #136 - Jan 10th, 2011 at 5:37am
 
QQwref became the first American ever to win a tournament last week, and Daniel finished second
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congrats to qq (nice find nymike Wink)

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Reply #138 - Jan 16th, 2011 at 4:16pm
 
@EWQM.: Congratulations! 111 is a great time - no chance to beat you.
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thanks stephan (but i have to admit it was an insanely fast board complete right half could be solved without any hesitation). this week i can be happy if i manage to lose no more than 3 points on you though Wink
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Reply #140 - Jan 23rd, 2011 at 5:59pm
 
stephaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!!! swgqeiugfbfbg4vfqvf3f4bf4bgtui453rbqevg4bbehgf4hrf

the whole saturday i had this weird feeling that my 15.35 wouldn't be enough and what made it even worse was that i was at a concert last evening...anyway, well done coming back on the last day of the tourny. well deserved win!
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Reply #141 - Jan 23rd, 2011 at 8:43pm
 
It was quite lucky to finish in #1 as I didn't find much time to play during the week. But yesterday at 5:40 p.m., I decided to try again. It took 40 minutes to beat my Tuesday score of 16.36. But then, I finished 16.10, 15.60 and finally 15.29. Thank you for attending a concert instead of striking back Smiley. Will keep the season a bit more open than otherwise Cool.

PS: I lost a 13.21 by unlucky guesses - this would have been a nice result.
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Stephan wrote on Jan 23rd, 2011 at 8:43pm:
. Thank you for attending a concert instead of striking back Smiley.


no concert today and enough motivation Wink
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Congrats EWQMinesweeper for first season win!!

I'm looking forward to participating in division 1 last time I made it into this division I did not able to play during that time. Sad
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Reply #144 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 8:19am
 
Grats to EWQ  Smiley - but somehow it's sad that Stephan was beaten just one win away from drawing even with the all time record of 6 consecutive won seasons.  Cry

But for me there's something even more sad: I couldn't play all week long and started compeeting only yesterday evening. I worked myself down to 13.97 what would have done the job. But when I wanted to upload, the url didn't work. I figured out, that there must have been an error on downloading the new tournament info, cause the board was slightly different from the official T-board.
I redownloaded the board - but it was already 1:30 in the morning and I was to tired for a real fightback. I got down to 15.07 but that was all I could do...   Smiley
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Reply #145 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 9:29am
 
Congratulations to EWQMinesweeper! First season win, then with great 57 points Shocked and 5 T wins, you well deserve it after this constant high-level performance. Of course, you could have attended another concert yesterday so that I could win T8 Wink.

I agree with Christoph that a 6th season win in a row would have been nice - but as in past, the December/January season wasn't my friend again. I could hardly play besides on Saturdays, and that isn't enough battling against the motivated youth.

Welcome Harryck in division 1 again. I see that you have already done your first div1 submission!
Will be an interesting season, as it's a really new mixture of players. In past seasons, mostly the same players appeared in div1. Compared to season 22, only Maruda and myself are in div1 of S40 as well. Caren, Christoph, Nikolaj, and Qetuth find theirselves in div2, and hexx, and Luca Vezzoni retired from participating in Ts.
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Reply #146 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 3:42pm
 
thank you very much for the nice words.

harryck, i'm also looking forward to competing with you in the same division Wink
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although i really like challenging tournament boards, think that the current 30*10/108 board can be solved and already got quite far, i recommend to change this week's board to some solvable settings. maybe 175 mines?
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Reply #148 - Feb 27th, 2011 at 3:24pm
 
I agree with EWQM. It's always a good indicator for boards that are too challenging if nobody uploads a time during the first 8 T hours.

I suggest 30x10/180. It's near to 175, and we had this board before.
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Reply #149 - Feb 27th, 2011 at 4:38pm
 
I didn't try the board. Maybe I'll have half an hour spare a little later today - then I'll maybe agree Grin
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Reply #150 - Feb 27th, 2011 at 6:38pm
 
I gave up on the board for now, lol

Maybe it was accident? Previously the same board but 180 mines was played, the 0 and 8 are just switched this time...
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Reply #151 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 7:50am
 
I've gotten over 75% complete twice in my first hour, but yeah, we'll be lucky to get 1 complete board between all of us in the week.

I'd like to see it changed to 140-150ish to make it finishable...180 mines would be a very different board
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Reply #152 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 4:24pm
 
I'm a little disappointed that the board got changed - I only played for about 20 mins and twice got down to situations with only three 50-50 guesses left. (Both times more than 90 mines safed).
However, the new board is not of my favorit kind - so i guess I won't extend my lead this T  Cry
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Reply #153 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 4:33pm
 
Yariv wrote: "I've changed it to 180. It was one of the random ones, so I guess impossible ones could come up occasionally unless I change the algorithm!"

Sorry for all who liked the 108 or preferred a 150 or sth.

Let's go, anyway!

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Reply #154 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 8:44pm
 
150 would have been really interesting and a nice challenge. but even with 180 mines there are already 5 or even more solving strategies that seem all about equally fast.

who else thinks that hexxing this board might be risky but could lead to very good times? 2 solvable rows at the start is unlikely but you could solve ~50% at the start.
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Reply #155 - Mar 17th, 2011 at 7:48pm
 
Hi Harryck,

congratulations to an awesome 2.29 in T5 Shocked Shocked. This is far lower than former all-time sub-3s on 6x6/20, done by Christoph and hexx.

As you seem to sub2.75 easily, do you have a video of a sub2.75 on current T board? I'm very curious if you play as fast as hexx did.
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Give me a little while and I'll make a vid. Smiley
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Reply #157 - Mar 19th, 2011 at 10:25am
 
Hi Harryck,

I'm still curious of your general speed on this board. But now I experienced that low 2 second times are possible - at least if one gets a ridiculously easy board...

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You imagine what I'm talking of, don't you Cheesy?
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Reply #158 - Mar 19th, 2011 at 1:10pm
 
congrats stephan Wink
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I had a really easy board also, but am not fast enough:

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Reply #160 - Mar 20th, 2011 at 9:09pm
 
Wow Stephan, very nice board and well played  Wink

I just played it like beginner, ignored columns and only solved rows. Results in very few games being solved but very fast times
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Reply #161 - Apr 6th, 2011 at 8:23pm
 
am i missing something or why did S40 suddenly end on a wednesday?

also mm and nono pages were completely down today afternoon...
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Reply #162 - Apr 6th, 2011 at 9:10pm
 
Hi EWQM.,

such a Shocked thing never happened before. I've already written to Yariv as I think relegations shouldn't be decided by a sudden end of T8 on Wednesday. But I don't know a) when Yariv will read his mails and b) whether he has a chance to re-open T8 and S40.
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Reply #163 - Apr 7th, 2011 at 10:40am
 
Oh, so that's what happened! I'd been sitting here thinking "How have I not seen this board and it's Thursday already?"
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Reply #164 - Apr 16th, 2011 at 1:48pm
 
Hi to everyone,

as you might already have noticed, the immediate end of S40/T8 on last week's Wednesay is fact now.

Here is Yariv's reply: "[...] I have no idea what happened: I don't know how the dates could have got mixed up like that, my only thought is that if the server went down (which I also didn't know about), they might have had to restore from backups or change the server dates.
Anyway, if I'd been faster I could possibly have extended the last season, but now the new season has started I suppose it would be unfair to other users. (I know it's pretty unfair anyway - but assuming the last tournament end date was listed as Wednesday when people got the info, I guess the only solution is to go along with that.)
[...] I have also extended the current tournament to end on Sunday, as normal. Sorry for the trouble! Yariv"

So, S41 has begun as it was announced in the emails. And T1 will be closed this sunday (sunday night in Eastern Asia, sunday morning in Central Europe).

So, for future Ts, just be aware which end data is announced in the weekly mail as well as in the game's window when you get the current T data. If anyone notices anything weird, please inform the community, so that we can ask Yariv to correct any mistake on the server.
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Reply #165 - Apr 23rd, 2011 at 4:53pm
 
after 64*5 (64.81, 64.43, 64.75 within 25 minutes today) i got a 57 in the last game i intended to play in this session - i would have played another 2 hours later if needed. Tongue
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Reply #166 - May 1st, 2011 at 12:19pm
 
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it's a nice board, but i think that hexx could have done a sub30 on this tournament Wink
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Reply #167 - May 29th, 2011 at 10:26am
 
Database seems to cause problems again Sad.
I've already mailed to Yariv - hopefully, he can fix the problems with S41, so that T8 can be played as planned, and promotions can be done afterwards.
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Reply #168 - May 29th, 2011 at 2:33pm
 
Yariv fixed the problems. Thanks!
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Reply #169 - Jul 18th, 2011 at 4:00am
 
If things continue the way they are, there could be 4 people within 2 points of second place in D2 going into the last tourney.  I'm hopping for a hexx style board next week.  Wink
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Reply #170 - Jul 27th, 2011 at 8:51pm
 
5.84 on the 25x40 988 mine tournament - here's my board Smiley
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Earlier today I also got 4.98 on the 990 mine version, and 3.90 on the 992 mine.
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Reply #171 - Jul 28th, 2011 at 8:42am
 
Well, well, I've no more time for sweeping this week. But probably I wouldn't get that 5 I needed for promoting anyway. Missing two Ts completely and not really playing a third one was too much of a deficit. Especially if only 6 players are active and everybody gets two extra points for free even in the bad weeks...
But that's not, what annoys me about this season (I didn't really attempt to promote). Really annoying are T5 and T6 which I both should have won but... well, Maruda and qqwref back in good shape... grats.
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Reply #172 - Jul 29th, 2011 at 1:09am
 
Great job Mike, board doesn't look anything extraordinary, you had the double blank at the end, but I've had boards with 2 sets of such, I've also seen a triple blank.  Looks like you winning third straight tournament from d2, probably never been done before.
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Reply #173 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 7:48am
 
Very good job, qqwref! 5.84 is the all-time record for 40x25/988 which is quite impressive on a board that has been played for the 6th time in Ts Cool.
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Reply #174 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 10:37am
 
congrats to nymike! winning 5 d3 tournaments in row and promoting into d2 with that, despite having missed the first 3 board is amazing! Cheesy
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Reply #175 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 11:49pm
 
Stephan wrote on Jul 31st, 2011 at 7:48am:
Very good job, qqwref! 5.84 is the all-time record for 40x25/988 which is quite impressive on a board that has been played for the 6th time in Ts Cool.

Thanks Smiley And the other two times in that post also beat the tournament records for those boards, although they weren't played since tournaments 34 and 35, so it's not a completely fair contest.

NYMIKE wrote on Jul 29th, 2011 at 1:09am:
Looks like you winning third straight tournament from d2, probably never been done before.

Yeah - in fact, having two tournaments in a row won by someone not in D1 was only done once before (in season 39, by Harryck and me).

I looked some stuff up and here are the people who've won the most tournaments from below D1. Almost all of these wins were from D2.
- Harryck Repse won 5 times (S29 from D2, S31 from D4 Shocked, S38 from D3 Shocked, S39 twice from D2)
- qqwref won 4 times (S39 from D2, S42 three times from D2)
- Gabi won twice (S41 twice from D2)
- Gero Waelz won once (S10 from D2, first time this happened)
- Qetuth won once (S19 from D2)
- Christoph won once (S32 from D2)
- chessgod101 won once (S37 from D?, this was removed later)
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Reply #176 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 12:37am
 
chessgod admitted that he had cheated.
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Reply #177 - Sep 17th, 2011 at 3:41am
 
The 12.40 on this week's board was a jump by almost a second - I had at least 6 13s, with a best time 13.35, before getting it. I was happy to get under 12.5 since that was my goal (2 squares per sec).

I uploaded the replay file here.
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Reply #178 - Sep 17th, 2011 at 3:12pm
 
@qqwref: Great time, this 12.40. I watched the replay, and from my point of view, it is not a really outstanding board thinking of the positions of the free squares. So, I admit that you are just much faster Shocked than myself. Congratulations! Btw: I got five 13s so far, but 13.40 is still far away from 12.40 Angry.
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Reply #179 - Oct 16th, 2011 at 7:06am
 
this season sucks Angry
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Reply #180 - Oct 16th, 2011 at 5:04pm
 
Come on, Maruda, you won the last two seasons, just give the German players a little chance to make some points Wink. Your favourite boards are likely to come within this season, I guess.
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Reply #181 - Oct 16th, 2011 at 10:06pm
 
maruda: we're not even halfway through with the current season and you are only 4 points behind. ok, so far 2 boards were good for me and 2 for stephan. considering that, it's still a very open competition.

stephan: if we want to win a season, we shouldn't depend on maruda not liking the boards Wink

btw, i don't like the current board as well. already blasted several 11s
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Reply #182 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 5:53am
 
ok, i´ll try to play more than 30 minutes Wink
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Reply #183 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 8:38am
 
@EWQM.: I can't agree that I don't like the board Wink. It's nice that there are two extremely low density boards within one season. And winning a season will depend for me on several things: getting many boards I'm good on (usually compliant with Maruda being not that good on these), having time enough to play, getting difficult boards not in the weeks where I'm on vacation. Last aspect failed this time again (T1), so my chance to win this season is already very low.

@Maruda: Just play your 30 minutes on Monday, upload your time so that we can see whether we have to sub-9 or to sub-8 Smiley.
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Reply #184 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 6:07pm
 
talking about having enough time to play: how much time do you spent on nonosweeper per week? do you play other levels as well to stay in shape?

last week i played an hour on sunday and 30min on monday, then 20min genius during the rest of the week. normally i spend 2-3 hours on the tournament and 30min on the standard levels.
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Reply #185 - Oct 18th, 2011 at 1:32pm
 
Tournaments: 1-4 hours a week (depends on free time on Sunday and Saturday and of time used for finishing one board). During the week, I usually don't play much as it is inefficient as long as I'm quite tired after work.
Standard levels: 10 minutes per month (only if I'm frustrated of T board) Smiley
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Reply #186 - Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:28pm
 
stephan, couldn't you have gotten this sub9 a bit earlier? Tongue
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Reply #187 - Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:14am
 
EWQM., I would have preferred that as well Wink. I tried hard on Saturday, but then, the 8.79 came as a surprise at a time when I didn't hope to get any sub-9.
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Reply #188 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 8:58pm
 
i just got a 14.43 on the current tournament board, S44/T6, 0.96s better than the current 1st place held by maruda. i thought i had hit the upload button but for some reason it didn't work.

the linked video shows the finished board and game statistics window. also you can see that instead of 14.43 the tournament window shows a 10s time. this seems to be a bug in the updated nono version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imh5Q989Bms

i really hope that this 14.43 can be added manually, since i've spent approximately 4 hours today trying to regain the lead.
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Reply #189 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 9:40pm
 
meh, just got a 15.15

EDIT: and facepalm@me for noting the bug in the new version while forgetting i could have played the replay in the video -.-
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Reply #190 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 8:48am
 
wow, what a season. 2 stupid tournaments (20x20x20, 35x25x20), once i was out for a weekend (7x7x33 - Nikolaj´s daughter´s 1st birthday Smiley ) and finally that idiotic winter time today  Grin
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Reply #191 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 9:04am
 
and the new 5*3/10 isn't stupid as well? Tongue took me 20min to just finish a board.
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Reply #192 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 4:58pm
 
5x3/10 is stupid Angry, indeed, as without brute-forcing, I don't think a time below 0.50 is possible. And I don't like brute-forcing at all, maybe my brain is too stupid for this method. Seems that I will stay at 0.60 using "normal" playing.

@Maruda: Extremely low density boards aren't stupid Wink, they are just boards that need fast and exact mouse movement (and maybe a little bit luck to get high numbers at the edges). Unfortunately, we often have boards where the absolute performance depends on lucky mine arrangements ;-(
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Reply #193 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 5:25pm
 
@stephan: considering that there are only 3003 different boards, only brute-foring maes sense. i've played a bit more than an hour so far and already got a 0.06 and finished a 0.15 and a 0.29 before. if you don't play any more this week, this season is almost over before the last board Tongue
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Reply #194 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 6:54pm
 
ooops!!!!
just played less than 3 minutes to get 0.03s Shocked
it was fun but i've no intention to play more Wink
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Reply #195 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 7:19pm
 
that is extremely lucky! even assuming that you played 179 seconds and played 4 boards a second, there's only a 36% success chance...i'm jealous Tongue
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Reply #196 - Nov 7th, 2011 at 1:14am
 
So I do a sub 0.1, and finish no better than 3rd place in div 3  Sad
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Reply #197 - Nov 7th, 2011 at 12:06pm
 
thats so crazy Undecided
how hard can this be!? Tongue, did 0.07s after a long 1m40s session ...
which means i succeeded twice in less than 5 minutes of playing Huh Huh Huh  SO SICK
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Reply #198 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 9:50am
 
@EWQM.: I tried but didn't succeed. The grid I was hunting for occurred only once within about 45 minutes of playing. Seems that hexx had more luck than me...

So, assuming that you will submit a time for current board, congratulations for winning this season!
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@stephan: thanks!

this is what wrote to NYMike about the last board. he got such a board within 10 minutes and as written before i finished 3 boards in a bit more than an hour.


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Reply #200 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 5:34pm
 
You should have posted this before. I didn't know that one can keep left mouse button pressed Embarrassed. So, with this tactics, I might have been successful. Just tested for a few minutes, it's a lot easier than pressing F2 and pressing mouse left and moving mouse immediately afterwards Cry. Nonetheless, I have eye problems to stare on the same point for several minutes. Hopefully, next brute-forcing board will take a long time to appear Smiley.

Btw, with your 33 on T8, you would have won the season even if I got a 0.05 in T7 Wink
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Reply #201 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 5:58pm
 
guess why i kept my strategy/observation secret Wink

this way i had many boards in which i could solve the first 3, sometimes even 4 squares in 0.04, 0.03, 0.01 and even 0.00 seconds for the first 4 squares. but since i had a hard time keeping the neccessary concentration up for more than a few minutes i stopped trying soon after my 0.06. if i remember correctly 0.05 is not possible?

although brute-force boards are very unfair as they give an advantage to those who have more time to play early into the week, trying to beat maruda's 0.09 was a nice challenge. i agree that i don't want such a board again anytime soon.
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Reply #202 - Nov 18th, 2011 at 8:55am
 
In general I like brute force boards, and I'm really angry with myself that I didn't win this T. I got quite some 0.03 and 0.04 trys on 1-4-5 or similar boards. I had only about one hour of playing time all week and got only one 0-5-5 board. But on that board I was moving the mouse too fast and the square in the middle didn't open. It took me half a second to recognize that the board wasn't won and ended up with this 0.87.  Cry

However, the equipment is very central on such kind of boards. Windows usually forwards mouse-messages every 0.004 seconds to the application. Thus within a span of 0.03 a possible maximum of 7 MMs arrive at nonosweeper. To win the board in 0.03 you must create 5 Mouse-Move events with the flag LButtonPressed on 5 different squares - so you may hit only 2 squares twice and you must ensure not being to fast such that you miss a square.
There is software that allow to adjust the frequence with which the mouse is checked. Some drivers for fancy mouses and (I think) some ego-shooters include such features. (But it also depends on the controler of the mouse.) However, if you reduce the time between the MMs to 0.002 you have 14 or with some luck and depending on the timer-handling 15 chances to hit the 5 squares within 0.03, which makes a huge difference. With an even higher frequence a 0.01  would be thinkable.
However, I didn't even search for better mouse drivers. It would have reduced my playing time this week even further, and I play only for the fun of playing   Smiley
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Reply #203 - Nov 20th, 2011 at 3:21pm
 
two seasons with stupid tournaments in a row? Undecided
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two seasons with wonderful boards in a row!
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Reply #205 - Nov 21st, 2011 at 7:45am
 
However, the new version of nono has a problem with such boards. If there is only one number number in every line, the window shrinks so much that the smiley is almost a line that's pretty nasty to hit... I can't remember the old version doing that on a 5-wide board.
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Reply #206 - Nov 21st, 2011 at 7:54am
 
@Christoph: This error is really bad. If you play with classic skin and smallest size, on current T board, you can't see any smiley on grids with only one number on the right edge.
Old version didn't have that problem. The only trick I know is to change the square size to medium size.
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Reply #207 - Nov 21st, 2011 at 12:04pm
 
it has already cost me two low 1.x times and since i changed to medium size i didn't get another similary easy board -.-

meh, not all boards can be as nice as S44T8. have to play some more then
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Reply #208 - Nov 28th, 2011 at 7:28am
 
Fyi: Yariv has released a new version 2.14 which avoids the smiley to disappear on small boards with small board sizes.
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Reply #209 - Dec 4th, 2011 at 7:02am
 
Sorry, I felt like playing this board a bit just now, and after maybe 20 minutes I got a 4.5ish and then a 4.09 :p

I haven't been playing nono so much lately because often I feel like I don't have the skill to compete or the patience to try over and over. It's nice when good luck happens, though.
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Reply #210 - Dec 9th, 2011 at 12:42pm
 
stephan: do i need to be worried that you might try getting a sub30 as well?
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@EWQM.: I would say yes Wink
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Reply #212 - Dec 10th, 2011 at 5:03pm
 
16:53 - argh! there goes my 1st place.
17:24 - 29.04, 0.02s too slow
17:40 - low 28 but had forgotten a square right at the start
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Reply #213 - Dec 11th, 2011 at 7:01pm
 
Hm, I shouldn't have stopped playing after my 29. But as I doubt whether I would have reached a 28, I'm quite satisfied with #2 as well. Congratulations to another T win.
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Reply #214 - Dec 11th, 2011 at 9:50pm
 
thanks. and i can assure you that if you had gotten a 28 i would have kept playing until a better 28 or even a 27. Wink
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quite a good result with a slight concussion. have to go vomit...
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Reply #216 - Dec 21st, 2011 at 1:23pm
 
these are your kind of tournament, Maruda.
I remember of this.  Wink

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Reply #217 - Dec 21st, 2011 at 7:39pm
 
finally got a grip on how to solve this board.

@luca: i love all boards, except for very small boards and extremely low or high density. normally i'd be playing a whole lot more, but studying keeps me busy and i'm also on a nice roll in minesweeper. well, considering the current d1 ranking i guess i can settle for 2nd, as long as i gain some seconds on stephan Wink
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Reply #218 - Dec 24th, 2011 at 1:06pm
 
hard to believe that i finally beat maruda's 252.03. had lost 249s with 3 mines left, 237s with 11 mines left, 230s with 11 mines left, 248 with 2 mines left, something at 160s with less than 100 mines left. definetely spent way more time than i wanted on this board.
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Reply #219 - Dec 24th, 2011 at 9:28pm
 
...aaaand here comes Hexx with a 242.59.  Shocked

I'm very unhappy with my time on this board but I'm not trying more because I know I can't beat Hexx :p
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Reply #220 - Dec 25th, 2011 at 11:06am
 
well, i've just made 15.45s in current T in a board where the difficult task was in fact "not to make sub-16s"!!!! Smiley
finished only that game in a 15m session or so, but i'm curious ... Roll Eyes
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depends on what time stephan puts up. like last week my main focus is on d1 times.
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Stephan is on Christmas vacation, so it's quite unlikely that he will put in a low time...
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Reply #223 - Dec 29th, 2011 at 6:31pm
 
well, I try not to bother you guys if possible  Undecided
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Reply #224 - Feb 1st, 2012 at 4:01pm
 
glad we finally have a new board. can't help the feeling that without the forced break i (we) would be trying for a sub40 on this board. well, at least i'm consistently fast enough to get an acceptable time regardless of with which strategy i solve the board.
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Reply #225 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:27am
 
Lol. After less than one minute of playing, I came across a board with a 5 in the top row and a 3 in the row below it and got a nice 0.98.
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Hi T players,

it seems that after the server problems, the T week ends one day later than before, i.e. on Monday morning in Europe. What are your opinions? Should we shorten one T to get back in the former cycle of Ts ending on Sunday morning in Europe?

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Reply #227 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 4:02pm
 
i actually like the tournaments ending on monday morning. having two days in a row to play is imo nuch nicer that getting to play on the first and the last day of a tournament.
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Reply #228 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 5:40pm
 
@EWQM.: Your statement is true. But for persons which are absent on one week-end, it is necessary that they find the time to play on a weekday. This might be different for some persons (like myself Wink).
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Reply #229 - Feb 13th, 2012 at 4:17pm
 
I prefer the old style.
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Reply #230 - Feb 13th, 2012 at 10:03pm
 
I like the old way better too.
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Reply #231 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 5:05pm
 
is it just me having much less time to play or has d1 gotten much tougher? btw, i still haven't maxed out on the current board.
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Reply #232 - Feb 19th, 2012 at 10:14am
 
I think it's a lot tougher in current div1. Might be the first time in history where 4 of 8 div1 players are T season winners.
And have a look at history:
Current div1 players: 206 T wins, 247 rank #2, 238 rank #3 Shocked.
All other former div1 players: 130 T wins, 89 rank #2, 98 rank #3 (of them hexx with 109-47-13 Embarrassed).
I.e. a very high percentage of top3 T ranks has been achieved by current div1 players, which results in a tight race for good ranks.

Luca returned to div1, Lutz is constantly fast, Gabi is hard to beat especially on larger boards, and Manuel and Vladimir are tough rivals on smaller boards. So, for myself, this means that I must play a lot (more than I should) to get an acceptable rank.

P.S. This week, sunday helped a lot to avoid finishing T2 in #6 or #7 Wink. But I still prefer the old style. By now, inofficial poll result is 3:1. Any other opinions to this issue?
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Reply #233 - Feb 19th, 2012 at 5:21pm
 
in my opinion the old style was better. when you don´t have enough time to play during a week and then you go out for a weekend, you have no chance to score a good time
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Reply #234 - Apr 9th, 2012 at 9:17pm
 
too less big boards  Sad
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Reply #235 - May 14th, 2012 at 4:16pm
 
Luca wrote on Apr 9th, 2012 at 9:17pm:
too less big boards  Sad


This season 6 boards end in less than 10 sec
1 in less than 20 sec..

too less variability.
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Reply #236 - May 15th, 2012 at 6:45pm
 
Hi Luca,

I agree that it's too less variability. Might be a setting in Yariv's routine how to define T boards.
Rule was:
The pool of boards has been put into five categories:
1) Big boards
2) Small boards
3) Long rectangles
4) Low mine density
5) Other
Each season will contain 1 board from each category (=5 boards), 1 board from a random category and 2 randomly generated boards.

If this rule is still valid, at least cat. 2 generates a big board. If this would be unluckily something like 40x25/990, you get a low time for this one as well. But expert-style boards would also be possible.

The category "Other" was originally filled mainly with mid-size boards and odd squares per row and/or column. Several of these need at least 20 seconds or more.

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I'm indifferent indeed in the question whether we need more big boards. The problem is that the best players on big boards will win each fight for ranks in season's total when two players having identical sum of points. So, best would be if every board has nearly same time (or at least same gap between #1 and #8)? Don't know...
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Reply #237 - May 15th, 2012 at 9:17pm
 
Thanks Stephan for the answer.  Smiley
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Reply #238 - May 16th, 2012 at 12:42am
 
What display size do you use for this board? Obviously the smaller size is optimal, however it doesnt display properly with the yellow face being very thin, and I end up missing it at the end, so currently I'm playing with medium display.  I would love to get a sub 2 on this board.
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Reply #239 - May 18th, 2012 at 5:03pm
 
Hi NYMike, a solution could be that you update the version. The tiny smiley face was a bug in v2.0, but Yariv corrected that in v2.02 I think.
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Reply #240 - May 22nd, 2012 at 7:43pm
 
stephan, on which side are you? Tongue jk, i'm confident that my top5 d1 streak will last for at least one more week.
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Reply #241 - May 22nd, 2012 at 9:15pm
 
I'm only on my side, of course Grin. Would have been happy to win at least one T in this season. But as I won't be able to play between Thu and Mon, I'm likely to stay at 7.81, so you have lots of chances to beat me (and Harryck as well, perhaps).

But I agree that normally, you should stay in top5 even with 8.46 - only Nikolaj and Maruda have better historical bests on this board. But be aware of Luca. His best of 9.33 is from 2007, and he should have high motivation as it is a big board Wink.
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Reply #242 - May 27th, 2012 at 10:20pm
 
Stephan wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 9:15pm:
...but be aware of Luca. His best of 9.33 is from 2007, and he should have high motivation as it is a big board Wink.


This is a physical big board but the time needed to finish it is less than 10 sec once again.  Sad

By the way, even with "important" efforts, I can't approach my 2007 results.
You, Harrick and EWQ are from another planet.
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Reply #243 - Jun 4th, 2012 at 7:30am
 
Harryck and EWQM. are from another planet for me on most grids either. Thank you guys for giving me the opportunity to win T1 Wink.
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Reply #244 - Jun 4th, 2012 at 8:58am
 
Congratulations Stephan.
But now we should have some boards similar to expert and genius level.
Probably there would be more competition. At least with Maruda..
Please!  Cheesy
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Reply #245 - Jun 4th, 2012 at 4:09pm
 
and yet another stupidly simple level :/ i'd like more >15s boards and a nice >100s challenge would be nice as well.

congrats to stephan. even if i had had as much time to play as usual, i can't imagine myself finising t1 in under 19s like you did.
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Reply #246 - Jun 11th, 2012 at 3:27am
 
Yes, I agree there should be more challenges boards. Boards like these is hardly a measure of skill. Just fast clicking. Maybe Yariv should allow for more big strategy boards. Congrats on your time on the last board Stephan.
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Reply #247 - Jun 12th, 2012 at 6:05pm
 
we asked for more challenging boards and there we go. (un)fortunately the first board i completed might have already been the last one this week.
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Reply #248 - Jun 30th, 2012 at 11:13pm
 
what a stupid board

everything that takes less than 10s to complete shouldn't be considered for tournaments anymore!
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Reply #249 - Jul 1st, 2012 at 5:30am
 
EWQMinesweeper wrote on Jun 30th, 2012 at 11:13pm:
what a stupid board

everything that takes less than 10s to complete shouldn't be considered for tournaments anymore!


Yes,  Iagree. I play for a few hours and get board with a 2 3 in the top row it happened to be 5 empty square in a row. Anyone can get fast time if they find board like this

Easy board >10 seconds should show up, but not all the time. There needs to be much more board of moderate and high difficulty. Maybe once per tournament or even less.
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Reply #250 - Jul 2nd, 2012 at 9:51am
 
In my opinion there should be more 40 sec tournaments similar to expert or genius levels that occupy half of the normal ranking.
I remember that the first seasons worked in that way.
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Reply #251 - Jul 9th, 2012 at 8:37pm
 
Hi guys,

I've written a mail to Yariv, pointing out the current situation in the forum about the tournament board choices.

Don't know what he thinks about this, but I suggested to change the T board choice as follows:

--- quote ---
My suggestion for the eight T boards within one season (order during season randomly, of course):
1. Big board with extremely high mine density >95% (e.g. 40x25/988 mines)
2. Large medium board with medium-high density 50-80% (e.g. similar to expert style, but a little bit easier to make it solvable for everyone competing in tournaments)
3. Medium board, both sides 8, 10, 12 or 15, with medium-high density 50-80% (e.g. similar to intermediate style)
4. Long rectangles (proportions greater than 4:1 or 1:4) with high density 66-85% (e.g. 6x25/115 mines)
5. Big board, both sides 15+, with low density <10% (e.g. 20x20/20)
6. Small board, but no parameter below 5 (minimum would be 5x5/5)
7. Any board with odd rows and odd columns (e.g. 11x7 or 15x13), medium density 50-75%
8. Any board out of category 1 to 7.
--- quote ---

Hope, you feel well with my proposals. We would definitely have more boards - with categories 2, 3, 4, 7, and partly 8, a quite guaranteed half of tournaments - that need 10-40 seconds. Category 2 would also cover boards in "easy genius" style that require playing times between 100 and 400 seconds.

@EWQM.: I refused to suggest banning sub-10s boards completely. These are a special category that require different skills than e.g. intermediate or expert style boards, and not all of them are pure luck.

But let's see what Yariv will decide to do.
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Reply #252 - Jul 9th, 2012 at 11:39pm
 
a step into the right direction. maybe 8 could be a really tough board, like 50% mines density with >200 squares
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Reply #253 - Jul 24th, 2012 at 2:37am
 
I hold my first nono record, I made the most d2 appearances without ever getting to d1, I now have played 66 weeks in d2, Richard had 65, Rincewind 53, Daniel and HMP 47, my best finish in d2 is 4th, so I need like 8 of you to quit so I have a chance lol.
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Reply #254 - Jul 24th, 2012 at 3:23pm
 
well done mike

sorry @ fellow d1 players. the 5 was an insanely easy board.
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Reply #255 - Aug 9th, 2012 at 4:10am
 
3.77 on a crazy easy board. paniced from seeing how easy it was and stumbled through
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Reply #256 - Aug 9th, 2012 at 11:12pm
 
harryck: do you plan to show us the board?
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Reply #257 - Aug 10th, 2012 at 7:13pm
 
Did not save it. 7 rows had mines and they were all adjacent, right column was 1-5 top row was 1-3 and left column was 1. Rest of rows were solvable without looking at columns
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Reply #258 - Aug 18th, 2012 at 4:13pm
 
Hi Nono T players,

finally got response from Yariv - he changed the Nonosweeper tournament database according to my proposal (and EWQM.'s suggestion).

Starting with the next season, we will have eight categories. Out of each category, exactly one board will be played. So, a mixture between various types of boards will be guaranteed. The order of the categories will be random.

The categories are described by several parameters as follows:
<will be posted in the next post>

Within a category, there is a 50/50 chance which kind of board is played:
a) The algorithm chooses one of the predefined boards - per category, I defined between about 15 boards (including existing boards we had before).
b) The algorithm creates a random one restricted by the parameters given for the chosen category.

We both hope that this will work fine Smiley and will give us more fun and more surprises in playing tournaments.
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Reply #259 - Aug 18th, 2012 at 4:21pm
 
Categories:
cat. description xsize ysize squares density proportions x:y
A Big board with extremely high mine density >90%
(e.g. 40x25/988 mines)
any any >=300 >90% any
B Big board, both sides 10+, min. 144 squares,
with low density <15%
(e.g. 20x20/20)
10+ 10+ >=144 <=15% any
C Any board with unusal rows and columns (e.g. 11x7 or 15x13),
min/max rows/columns 7-23,
medium density 40-75%
7 to 23,
w/o 10/15/20
7 to 23,
w/o 10/15/20
any 40-75% any
D Large medium board with medium-high density 44-90%
(e.g. similar to expert style, but a little bit easier
to make it solvable for everyone competing in tournaments)
any any 150-300 44-90% <3
E Medium board, both sides 8, 10, 12 or 15,
with medium-high density 30-80%
(e.g. similar to intermediate style)
8, 10,
12, or 15
8, 10,
12, or 15
any 30-80% any
F Long rectangles (proportions greater than 3:1 or 1:3)
with medium/high density 25-90% (e.g. 6x25/115 mines)
any any >=100 25-90% >=3
G Tough board,
medium density 45-80% with >200 squares
any any >200 45-80% any
H Small board (max. side 10, max. 80 squares),
but no parameter below 5 (minimum would be 5x5/5)
5 to 10 5 to 10 <=80 any any
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Reply #260 - Aug 18th, 2012 at 4:30pm
 
Another side info: According to the best times received on previous T boards, here is some characterisation of the categories considering assumed T winner times:
  • cat. A: between 3.5 and 20 seconds
  • cat. B: between 1.5 and 10 seconds (some exceptions up to 120 s possible)
  • cat. C: between 2 and 25 seconds
  • cat. D: between 7 and 90 seconds
  • cat. E: between 9 and 40 seconds
  • cat. F: between 11 and 90 seconds
  • cat. G: between 45 and 350 seconds
  • cat. H: between 1 and 5 seconds

This means that it would be a unlikely coincidence if there are again more than 2 sub-5 and more than 4 sub-10 winner times in a season. Hope, you like it.
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Reply #261 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 11:38pm
 
good news, stephan.

about the current board: c'mon guys. i know from the lst time we had this board, that you can sub25. i'm worried that you are holding your scores. Wink
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Reply #262 - Sep 10th, 2012 at 10:14pm
 
what a nice board to finish a season. Cheesy i predict sub130 times. Tongue
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Reply #263 - Oct 9th, 2012 at 10:37pm
 
Interesting board. It has been a long time since I played a tournament board this much. I think low 40s are definitely possible.
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Reply #264 - Oct 9th, 2012 at 11:11pm
 
pretty sure that sub45 is possible. it's tough finding the right balance skipping boards, taking risks and solving boards.
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Reply #265 - Oct 16th, 2012 at 2:06am
 
This season boards are tough
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Reply #266 - Oct 16th, 2012 at 2:09pm
 
the boards so far may have been tough, but i find more challenging boards quite enjoyable.
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Reply #267 - Oct 28th, 2012 at 1:02am
 
The Div 1 players are amazing. I have looked at some videos and have learned about choosing the non bombs.
But how do you do you guys do it so quickly?

I didn't know about the F2. What is the best way to learn more tactics? Should I look at topics in this forum?

Thanks,
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@stephan: thanks!

this is what wrote to NYMike about the last board. he got such a board within 10 minutes and as written before i finished 3 boards in a bit more than an hour.


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hint for nono S44 T7: there are only 3003 different boards. keep the left mouse button pressed and move it along the top row, while pressing f2 whenever you are over the top left or top right corner. if you can play a board every second (this way you can easily play 2 per second), you have a 18% chance of winning a board within 10 minutes, 33% chance within 20min, 45% within 30min, 55% within 40min, 63% within 50min and 70% within 60min of playing.
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Reply #268 - Oct 28th, 2012 at 11:32am
 
hello jos,

the trick in the quote can only be applied to very few boards and doesn't help at all with any other board.

there are a few general strategies though.

normal solving: solve like you would solve expert or genius level. hit f2 until an edge column or row of the board is solvable. use flags and clear safe squares. this is the easiest strategy but it is not very fast. it's best on big boards with medium mine density.

nf: hit f2 until an edge column or row is solvable but only clear the safe squares. it is fast on all boards that have fewer safe squares than mines. on big boards with medium mine density it might become a bit too difficult and other strategies might become faster.

blue face: once the number of of flagged mines is the same as the number of mines hidden in the board, the yellow face turns blue and a left click on it ends the board. if all mines are correctly flagged, the game is won, else lost. it is fast on all boards with a low mine density.

advanced nf - hexx-strategy: look through hexx' posts in this forum. he explained it very well in one of his posts. it's good on small to medium sized nf boards.

half-hexx: same as hexx-strategy but you only solve the opposite columns or rows at the start and then continue with rows or respectively columns. it is applicable to more boards than hexx-strategy.

advanced blue face: on some boards normal playing can't be beaten by other strategies, yet it can be optimized. once 90% of the board is solve, only flag the remaining mines. it can save a few seconds.

the key to fast times is knowing these strategies and finding the fastest for a specific board. often enough a few are equally fast and it becomes a matter of personal preference. this week normal solving, nf and blue face are about equally fast. that is, if you can execute all startegies equally well.

the best way to imrove is, obviously, to play a whole lot. Wink
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EWQ,

Thanks so much for your suggestions!

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Reply #270 - Nov 1st, 2012 at 2:45am
 
It appears that next season there will only be two divisions in nonosweeper, I remember when nono was like this http://www.nonosweeper.com/cgi-bin/pointsranking.cgi?season=31
12 players posted times in division 4, and monsters like Harryck and Gero were in division 4 , appears game is dying.
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Reply #271 - Nov 1st, 2012 at 11:35am
 
Hi NYMike, unfortunately you seem to be right. It would be the first time that we have only two divisions left since tournaments with divisions started 7.5 years ago.

I hoped that well-known player such as hexx, Luca V., Qetuth, Dragon, Peter, Rincewind, Richard and others might return after we changed the tournament mode to include more challenging boards. This is obviously not the case so far...
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Reply #272 - Nov 1st, 2012 at 2:38pm
 
I have been playing Nonosweeper since 2007, maybe before. I didn't notice there were tournaments until last year.

Maybe if you mention the tournaments on the home page or when they upload their scores, more will join.

You can also mention how challenging they are now, to get more interest.
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Reply #273 - Nov 1st, 2012 at 6:17pm
 
It is too bad to see this happen to Nonosweeper. Maybe Yariv could send out a mass email to registered nonosweeper users about tournament changes? Or is this is too intrusive?
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Reply #274 - Nov 8th, 2012 at 8:03pm
 
could we get rid of boards like T7 and T8 as well, please? the first 6 boards of the season were great, the last 2 aren't good, since getting good times relies too much on getting an easy board.
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Reply #275 - Nov 9th, 2012 at 8:23am
 
I'm not sure how I feel about T7, but as for T8, I can tell you this: the difference between 12s and 16s is not just an easy board. You do need a good board to get a good time, sure, but that's true for every board type I've played. Maybe this board was a bit big for its type, but it's still a good type to have in the rotation.
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Reply #276 - Nov 26th, 2012 at 9:28pm
 
@EWQM.: I don't prefer getting rid of every easy and/or quick board. Boards like S51/T2 show that we have very low number of submissions. We would risk losing even division 2. So, I prefer keeping the rotation as it is now - we'll have to check anyway if it's too difficult (or too time-consuming for those who aren't pupils or students any more, unfortunately Grin).

And I agree with qqwref: Getting a good board is necessary on most grids. We won't be able to avoid this completely.
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Reply #277 - Nov 27th, 2012 at 5:40am
 
I know im in a minority, but I prefer the boards we had up until last season, its hard for me to place when I can only solve 5 boards a season.
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Reply #278 - Dec 2nd, 2012 at 6:02am
 
I am also concerned with the new boards, that less players can participate.
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Reply #279 - Dec 3rd, 2012 at 2:24am
 
jos wrote on Dec 2nd, 2012 at 6:02am:
I am also concerned with the new boards, that less players can participate.

To be honest the number of participants began to decline long before we went to hard boards, I'm only complaining cause I'm terrible on any large size board, or any large low density board.
The reason the number of players is dwindling is that many of the players here are in their 30's with families and just have no time to play, or simply lose interest.
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Reply #280 - Dec 18th, 2012 at 7:05pm
 
i suppose everyone will agree with me that the current board (26x20, 249 mines) is close to impossible to complete. my best approach so far had 120 cleared mines. after 3 hours trying i now give up. can we please get a board that is more likely to be solvable?
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Reply #281 - Dec 21st, 2012 at 2:59am
 
It is great to see more people playing. Yes. I got to about 60 mines left and ran out of time, but does seem impossible.
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Reply #282 - Dec 21st, 2012 at 3:26am
 
This is an extremely hard board. Congrats to Harryck for his 8 points but I would really prefer not having boards like this pop up in the future.
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Reply #283 - Dec 21st, 2012 at 9:02am
 
hm, i was expecting more people to raise their voices for a new board. the last time we had such a 'difficult' board, yariv provided us with a new, slightly easier one.

looks like i have to finish a board now. closest i've got so far was 76 mines left. there goes my weekend...:p
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Reply #284 - Dec 22nd, 2012 at 9:05pm
 
this really sucks! died on a 50-50 guess ewith 3 mines in 6 squares left. lost at 514s.
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Reply #285 - Dec 23rd, 2012 at 3:05am
 
EWQ, you did it. Congrats to you 3. I have tried too many times. I will give up now.
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Reply #286 - Dec 23rd, 2012 at 11:59am
 
Damn! I've solved this board! 1642 sec, but I really didn't know that time over 999 is not counted!
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Reply #287 - Dec 24th, 2012 at 11:22am
 
Congratulations to those who invested so much time to finish the last board and as well managed to finish in less than 1000 seconds. I agree that this was too difficult as only four players were listed in the ranking. Will try to check with Yariv that the generators won't produce such difficult boards.

@EWQM.: Didn't check the forum lately, so couldn't raise my hand for an easier board.
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Reply #288 - Dec 24th, 2012 at 3:05pm
 
What do you think about increasing timer by one digit?
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Reply #289 - Jan 2nd, 2013 at 5:51am
 
This has been a very chaotic season in division 2.  We now have enough players for 3 divisions next season, even though 3 of 16 players have not recorded a single point.  Sam Haynes with his 2 participations will have enough points to qualify for d2 next season.  If Daniel chooses he will likely do the same.  Gracebalma had his first ever d2 apearance in 36 seasons, if enough of better players quit I plan to stick around to get a d1 appearance in my profile Grin.  I will likely finish the season in 5th place in d2 despite only 6 participations, one of which did not yield me points.
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Reply #290 - Jan 2nd, 2013 at 5:48pm
 
Happy New Year to all players of Nonosweeper!

@Vladimir: Yariv says that increasing timer by one digit would need changes at the software. He hopefully will find time to deal with this at the next update. But for the near future, 999 will be the end. Sorry.

@all who found S51/T6 (26x20/249) to be too difficult: I suggested a "difficulty index" to Yariv. This index will us prevent from getting boards which are nearly unsolvable. Background: Unsolvable boards were used to have a huge amount of squares and a medium density and a nearly quadratic grid.
Yariv has already implemented the new restriction. I hope that the category G board in next season will be solved by much more players than S51/T6.

@NYMike: I appreciate that Yariv's mail about more challenging tournaments led at least some retired players to come back so that we get division 3 again Smiley. And hopefully, by splitting div2 and div3, it will be enough competition to keep players playing.
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Reply #291 - Jan 8th, 2013 at 6:38pm
 
your season, harryck. my last exam this semester is on the 2nd last day of this season.
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Reply #292 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 4:51pm
 
congrats on winning your first tournament, lutz. well deserved after 23 seasons of playing.
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Reply #293 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 9:47pm
 
Wow, 23 seasons already ... quite a long time to finally win a tournament. So I guess you are right, thanks. Smiley
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Reply #294 - Jan 25th, 2013 at 8:07pm
 
Hi Lutz,

congratulations for your first official T win! Indeed, it's already your second rank #1 in division 1. But you might remember, in S49/T8, Gabi submitted a better time but was in div2 at that time Sad.

And Germany goes ahead: With now 5 tournament winners, we are quite far away from CZE (3) and AUT (2). Cool
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Reply #295 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 5:30am
 
Stephan wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 8:07pm:
Hi Lutz,

congratulations for your first official T win! Indeed, it's already your second rank #1 in division 1. But you might remember, in S49/T8, Gabi submitted a better time but was in div2 at that time Sad.



Germany has 6 winners, Stephan, Fritz, Manuel, Gero, Roland and Lutz. 
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Reply #296 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 1:52pm
 
@NYMike: You're right. I've only counted division seasons (4 ff.) Sad.
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